Windows 8: Microsoft spent three years killing the Start menu ? - Page 5

SeaWolf U-57 · 11-01-12, 10:22 AM

Wow 64Mb Cache that's great I'm Green with envy.
with that chipset board and items you have any chance you want to swap

HunterICX · 11-01-12, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaWolf U-57

Wow 64Mb Cache that's great I'm Green with envy.
with that chipset board and items you have any chance you want to swap

I think not it's still too precious to me as I just have it a couple of months.
but yeah it's pretty fancy setup total damage was 1100 Euros. (those components, case, PSU and custom cooler for CPU)

HunterICX

SeaWolf U-57 · 11-01-12, 12:03 PM

I dont blame you ... Now how long till Santa comes calling

CaptainHaplo · 11-01-12, 05:16 PM

Hunter - what kind of results do you get from a windows performance index? I am curious - mind sharing them?

HunterICX · 11-01-12, 05:45 PM

Processor: 7.5
Memory (RAM): 7.6
Graphics: 7.8
Gaming Graphics: 7.8
Primary Hard Disk: 5.9

HunterICX

Herr-Berbunch · 11-01-12, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

Processor: 7.5
Memory (RAM): 7.6
Graphics: 7.8
Gaming Graphics: 7.8
Primary Hard Disk: 5.9

Like most systems, the thing holding it back is the hard drive, either an SSD or a 10k rpm HD required.

HunterICX · 11-01-12, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Like most systems, the thing holding it back is the hard drive, either an SSD or a 10k rpm HD required.

220 - 250 Euros for a 10k RPM I think I'll pass

and SSD's of 60 GB or 80gb that fall under a decent price range on which I can just store a few games.

All just for faster loading times....no thanks.

HunterICX

CaptainHaplo · 11-01-12, 07:39 PM

Sweet numbers - your in my area with those. Actually you have me on graphics by a tenth. NICE!

thewarrior008 · 11-04-12, 01:06 PM

Oh well , that's Microsoft. Fortunately, there are ways to get back the Start Menu. There's a nice review I stumbled upon a few days back.

http://darktips.com/start-menu-in-windows-8/

antikristuseke · 11-07-12, 11:53 AM

Some major issues with Win 8 that have yet to be mentioned here and which if left unchanged should drive every gamer away from this particular OS.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...4&postcount=16

the_tyrant · 11-07-12, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Some major issues with Win 8 that have yet to be mentioned here and which if left unchanged should drive every gamer away from this particular OS.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...4&postcount=16

I have to say it is incorrect at multiple points.

First of all, regarding mature games, it is only limited in the EU, and even with that, only pornographic games (Microsoft fine tuned its criteria, to limit ONLY pornographic titles).

I don't really see where the uproar is from, in all its previous stores(Windows Phone, Xbox Live, Zune, Games For Windows Live), Microsoft never allowed pornographic material.

In fact, it is fully understandable that Microsoft would want to certify the content in the windows store. There has to be a level of quality control, and security checks. I have published in the Windows Phone store, it is pretty easy to go through, and they are pretty transparent.

The policies are clear:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...(v=VS.92).aspx

and Microsoft provides pretty good tools to help you:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...394032(v=vs.92)

And if this is not your thing, you can easily enable homebrew on your Windows 8 device. Sure, its a bit more than just downloading an exe and running it, but it is not nearly as convoluted as Symbian homebrew.

As for open source, Microsoft's policy is EXTREMELY clear. They DO allow open source stuff (hell, I might finally finish up my encryption system and release it).

I understand why Valve and its fans are angry. Its simple, Windows Store is assaulting the Steam business model. Usually, physical stores take 50% of the sale, Valve takes 30-40%, Microsoft starts by taking 30%, if your app does well, it is reduced to 20%. Plus, Microsoft finally rolled xbox live and windows live together, so you will get a single system on 3 platforms (Windows, Xbox, Windows Phone).

Microsoft reduces their take from 30% to 20% if you make more revenue than $25000. This is a major thing with game developers. For an industry used to being gouged 50% by Gamestop, Microsoft seems a LOT better. Since after all, at 40-60$ a copy, it is extremely easy for a game developer to make $25000. After that, Microsoft takes the lowest cut in the industry.

Sony's current crossbuy model is pretty good, buy once, play on 2 platforms, with saves synced between both. Microsoft is currently looking into it, really stupid if they don't do it if you ask me.

I would say that Valve is worried, and they should, since so far, most developers I have talked to do enjoy the Windows Store process. I attribute it to Microsoft's developer focus.

Remember Ballmer's "developers" chant. In the Microsoft world, the first class customers are the developers. I have spoken to many developers, and not a single one was afraid of Microsoft treating them unfairly. (or at least not any more than Apple, Google, Sony, Nokia, etc)

So yeah, I game on windows 8, and I develop on windows 8. I believe that the OS has lots of potential for gaming, and I will assure you, the development community WILL support it.

antikristuseke · 11-07-12, 01:08 PM

My main problem is with it becoming a closed off system as opposed to an open system that it has been so far, not that it isn't open source. I have the same issue with Apple, among others.
Another thins is the massive inconvenience between hopping from metro apps to desktop ones and so on.
On censorship, I am against it in pretty much all forms, it should be left up to the consumer what he/she gets on their computer, the more control the end user has over content they get, the better.

Onkel Neal · 11-10-12, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by thewarrior008

Oh well , that's Microsoft. Fortunately, there are ways to get back the Start Menu. There's a nice review I stumbled upon a few days back.

http://darktips.com/start-menu-in-windows-8/

Nice, thanks for that!

AVGWarhawk · 11-12-12, 11:05 AM

Purchasing Windows 8 is inexpensive if you are overwriting a current XP, 7 or Vista install. I have a XP computer that sits dormant. My kids run laptops now. For $39.99 I think I will will download 8 on the XP machine and see how it goes!

DragonRider · 11-12-12, 04:17 PM

After installing Window8 and using it for a couple of weeks I decided to re-install it
this was done in two ways through an internal program found in the Change computer
settings screen which although cleaned or re-formatted my hard drive returned windows8 to
the settings that was set before the re-install.
So I did a re-install from boot and this re-set Window8 to default but after entering my
email and password all my browsing shortcuts re-appeared to the history folder in IE10
and also my desktop rotation screens also appeared.
So its worrying to me that all this information is stored somewhere by windows and also what else is stored ??? .

And no all my files were deleted in the re-install so no way was it re-set from a folder.

11-01-12, 05:16 PM	#64
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Hunter - what kind of results do you get from a windows performance index? I am curious - mind sharing them? __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

11-01-12, 05:45 PM	#65
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Processor: 7.5 Memory (RAM): 7.6 Graphics: 7.8 Gaming Graphics: 7.8 Primary Hard Disk: 5.9 HunterICX __________________

11-01-12, 07:39 PM	#68
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Sweet numbers - your in my area with those. Actually you have me on graphics by a tenth. NICE! __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

11-01-12, 10:22 AM	#61
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Wow 64Mb Cache that's great I'm Green with envy. with that chipset board and items you have any chance you want to swap

11-01-12, 12:03 PM	#63
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	I dont blame you ... Now how long till Santa comes calling

11-04-12, 01:06 PM	#69
thewarrior008 Nub Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Oh well , that's Microsoft. Fortunately, there are ways to get back the Start Menu. There's a nice review I stumbled upon a few days back. http://darktips.com/start-menu-in-windows-8/

11-07-12, 11:53 AM	#70
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Some major issues with Win 8 that have yet to be mentioned here and which if left unchanged should drive every gamer away from this particular OS. http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...4&postcount=16

11-07-12, 01:08 PM	#72
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	My main problem is with it becoming a closed off system as opposed to an open system that it has been so far, not that it isn't open source. I have the same issue with Apple, among others. Another thins is the massive inconvenience between hopping from metro apps to desktop ones and so on. On censorship, I am against it in pretty much all forms, it should be left up to the consumer what he/she gets on their computer, the more control the end user has over content they get, the better.

11-12-12, 11:05 AM	#74
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,900 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Purchasing Windows 8 is inexpensive if you are overwriting a current XP, 7 or Vista install. I have a XP computer that sits dormant. My kids run laptops now. For $39.99 I think I will will download 8 on the XP machine and see how it goes!

11-12-12, 04:17 PM	#75
DragonRider Predator of the sea Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: England Posts: 139 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	After installing Window8 and using it for a couple of weeks I decided to re-install it this was done in two ways through an internal program found in the Change computer settings screen which although cleaned or re-formatted my hard drive returned windows8 to the settings that was set before the re-install. So I did a re-install from boot and this re-set Window8 to default but after entering my email and password all my browsing shortcuts re-appeared to the history folder in IE10 and also my desktop rotation screens also appeared. So its worrying to me that all this information is stored somewhere by windows and also what else is stored ??? . And no all my files were deleted in the re-install so no way was it re-set from a folder.