US Politics Thread 2021-24

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

The Senate is basically split 50/50 and they'll need 67% to convict.
How do you think this is going to play out?

I'm certain it will play out as a huge waste of time. Hoping to give up a great big nothing to get at least something.

[Jimbuna]

Been catching up on the fourth Republican debate and it looks to me like Trump is a nailed on certainty for the Republican nomination.

[Jimbuna]

Doesn't sound too dissimilar to the political pantomimes we have here in the UK

Republican debate: Ratings plunge to lowest yet in 2024 presidential cycle

The fourth Republican debate in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, this week pulled in the lowest ratings yet of all GOP primary debates during this 2024 presidential race.

Over 4 million people tuned in to NewsNation and The CW to watch Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Chris Christie go head-to-head on stage on Wednesday night.

This is down from 7 million viewers of the third debate, which was down from 9 million and 12.8 million from the second and first.

Wednesday’s debate frequently veered out of control as most of the attacks focused on former UN Ambassador Ms Haley who has been rising in the polls.

Entrepreneur Mr Ramaswamy was met with boos from the audience when he called her “corrupt” and a “fascist” before going on a screed about her foreign policy experience, saying experience isn’t “wisdom”.
Former New Jersey Governor Mr Christie finally had enough of Mr Ramaswamy calling him “the most obnoxious blowhard in America”.

On Thursday, CNN announced that they will host two debates in January – one on the 10th in Iowa, and another on the 21st in New Hampshire.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...80b54b74&ei=13

[mapuc]

What impact would this have on the futures Presidency of USA ?

Dispute over Trump's immunity in historic case may end up in the Supreme Court

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[Jimbuna]

Heaven only knows when this sad state of affairs will eventually come to a conclusion but one thing that has been settled as far as I'm aware is the fact that he is liable for fraud.

'Litany of all the lies': Trump's ex-lawyer on why former president ducked testifying

Former White House attorney Ty Cobb is convinced reason finally won out over Donald Trump's ego Monday.

Cobb appeared on CNN Monday night to discuss the former president's decision not to take the stand in his $250 million civil fraud trial.

"He was not an effective witness, no matter you know, what the PR is from the other side," Cobb said. "He's not going to get cross-examined much on what he's going to say, he will get taken through a litany of all the lies that he's told during the relevant period for this trial."

Cobb noted the 45th president, when he took the witness stand back in early November, acknowledged mistakes, including the inflated valuation of Trump Tower sprawling apartment and also noted that about 95% of assets listed in a 2014 financial condition statement didn't adhere to generally accepted accounting principles.
"He really has nothing to add to the evidentiary pile, in this case, at this stage in the game," Cobb said. "He's already testified and in an unhinged manner, he made multiple, multiple admissions that severely damaged this case."

That case was brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who contends the Trump Organization defrauded lenders by inflating the value of company assets.

While Trump denies wrongdoing, Judge Arthur Engoron has already ruled the former president is liable for fraud. The trial will determine damages.

Cobb also argued Trump's testimony would not have been likely to help him in his bid for the White House in 2024.

"I'm sure they would probably take the top 40 hits and expose him as someone with no credibility," Cobb said during an appearance on CNN's “Erin Burnett OutFront."

"That doesn't help him politically."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...fdd11df6&ei=33

[August]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Heaven only knows when this sad state of affairs will eventually come to a conclusion but one thing that has been settled as far as I'm aware is the fact that he is liable for fraud.

Given that incorrect property valuations made by the owner have never been called fraud in the history of the republic. Nor do they ever determine loan amounts or interest percentages since lenders always go by their own valuations. So ask yourself why just Trump is being prosecuted for it.

[Buddahaid]

Nice try.
https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...t-security.pdf

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Nice try.
https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...t-security.pdf

Considering that the examples in your "gotcha link" are all for different crimes i can't tell you nice try. More like you crashed and burned Senator. Show me an example of overestimating property values or take your snarkyness and stick it.

[Buddahaid]

How mature. Falsifying business records is one of the remaining counts being adjudged.

[Buddahaid]

Here's more about the 1956 Martin Act (63 12).
https://casetext.com/statute/consoli...sort=relevance

[Jimbuna]

U.S. Congress prohibits presidents of country from withdrawing from NATO

Presidents of the United States will no longer be able to unilaterally withdraw from NATO, according to The Hill.

The U.S. Congress has confirmed its support for NATO. In the past, the alliance faced criticism from former President Trump. However, under President Biden, the significance of NATO has increased, especially after Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

"NATO has held strong in response to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s war in Ukraine and rising challenges around the world. The law reaffirms U.S. support for this crucial alliance that is foundational for our national security. It also sends a strong message to authoritarians around the world that the free world remains united," said Senator Kaine.
During his presidency, Biden strengthened NATO by sending more troops to Europe as a demonstration of strength against Putin's aggression and expanded the alliance with the inclusion of Finland and Sweden.

Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, had varied opinions on NATO. His supporters argue that the criticism from the former president inspired NATO member states to increase defense spending, relieving the burden on the U.S. However, Trump's critics believe his words undermined NATO, fearing he might abandon U.S. commitments to the alliance's mutual defense pact or even withdraw from it.

Earlier, it was reported that the U.S. Congress passed a bill prohibiting the purchase of nuclear fuel from Russia.

It was also mentioned that South Korea is assisting NATO in addressing the issue of a weapons shortage.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...ae4a7b4a&ei=14

[Buddahaid]

And Rudy gets his butt handed to him with a $148,000,000 verdict and complains he wasn't allowed to testify. His butt must be jealous of his mouth for all the crap that comes out of it.

[Otto Harkaman]

[Jimbuna]

Reminds me of the Queen song "The Show Must Go On"

Donald Trump aligns himself with Orban and Putin in bid to sway voters away from Biden

Donald Trump has compared himself to Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán in his latest bid to win over voters.

The former president was speaking at the University of New Hampshire in Durham on Saturday, where he aligned himself to the Russian and Hungarian leaders.

Trump was pushing his message that the criminal cases against him are a "coordinated persecution" in an attempt to diminish his lead in general election polls.

The presidential hopeful quoted Putin and welcomed compliments from Orbán.

Trump said: "Even Vladimir Putin… says that Biden’s, and this is a quote, politically motivated persecution of his political rival is very good for Russia because it shows the rottenness of the American political system, which cannot pretend to teach others about democracy.
"They [are] weaponising law enforcement for high-level election interference because we’re beating them so badly in the polls.

"Viktor Orbán, the highly respected prime minister of Hungary, said Trump is the man who can save the Western world."

The former president also spoke of his relationship with North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un, who he said praised his premiership. Trump said: "He’s not so fond of this administration, but he’s fond of me" adding that he is "very nice".
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...02a5ef23&ei=23

[mapuc]

This came as a surprise since I have been told(here in this thread) the 14th Amendment doesn't apply in this case.

In a stunning and unprecedented decision, the Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn’t an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/p...ent/index.html

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