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04-25-19, 09:57 AM | #6991 |
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From a RAND study. Makes one wonder how long USA would be exporting security into Europe.
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04-25-19, 04:21 PM | #6992 |
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WWII is over ... we won't be suckered into another useless war that uses tanks and two weeks to get there by sea ... the Air Force has a plan to deliver the goods, but only if it is a small unprotected country
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04-25-19, 05:58 PM | #6993 |
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What about, -gasps-, peer adversaries?
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04-25-19, 06:05 PM | #6994 | |
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He just grinned and said "Oh, you'd be surprised."
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04-26-19, 03:18 PM | #6995 |
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Wendover? that brings back memories. I was out in that area 1982-84.
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04-30-19, 08:34 PM | #6996 |
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This is interesting, given Mueller has been notoriously tight-lipped about the investigation(s); it seems Barr's softball 4-page memo has raised the ire of Mueller:
Mueller complained that Barr’s letter did not capture ‘context’ of Trump probe -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.08580cb981f2 The Mueller Report -- with annotations: The Mueller report, annotated -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.b2737c4a2687 <O>
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05-01-19, 07:09 AM | #6997 |
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Barr's opportunistically harmless comments certainly gave it a spin.
Stating things, quoting things out of context - how often has this practice been seen in this forum as well. I can understand Mueller's anger. I can understand him all too well. Its a very underhanded rhetoric cheat.
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05-01-19, 08:24 AM | #6998 | ||
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What is really interesting here is just how disingenous the news media is. From the Washington Post article...... Quote:
It is also no coincidence that this attempted smear of Barr comes on the day he is to testify before the Senate.
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05-01-19, 09:24 AM | #6999 |
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Sometimes I really wonder how many hard working voting Americans really care about the daily news squabbles the media hashes up.
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05-01-19, 05:38 PM | #7000 | |
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For those who want to see the actual letter from Mueller to Barr/DOJ regarding the SC's office displeasure with Barr's memo summarizing the SC's Report, here is a link to the letter:
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Seems rather unambiguous to me... <O>
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05-01-19, 06:06 PM | #7001 |
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05-01-19, 06:54 PM | #7002 |
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Oh, I don't know about that...
Seems like the letter has tripped up Barr's story-line and made evident that he has lied and is lying, under oath, and has holes in his 'integrity' wider than Trump's rump; it also seems to have forced Barr to ground - he's apparently not going to honor his prior commitment to appear before a House committee tomorrow, Thursday; I guess he needs extra time to fabricate yet another version of his story, you know, to convince Congress, and the American voters, that he's not a Trump pawn now and has abdicated his position as the Nation's Attorney in favor of being yet another inept legal mouthpiece for the Idiot-In-Chief... A shame, rally: Barr, until now, had a reputation as a fair and principled administrator; I wonder how many pieces of silver it took to betray Lady Justice?... Justice may be blind, but it is not gullible... It will be very interesting, come May 15th, when Mueller is expected to testify before Congress... <O>
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05-01-19, 09:13 PM | #7004 | ||
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Oh, I agree, Barr's four-page memo did not change a word of the over 400 page SC's Report. What it did was try to couch the conclusions to fit the narrative Trump and his minions are desperate to foist on the voting public. As some have pointed out, the memo is reminiscent of those movie ads that quote reviewers: the original critique may have said "this film is awe-inspiring in its failings, a true monument to what bad film-making, and will be long remembered for its awfulness" ;what the ad for the film will quote is "awe-inspiring", "a true monument", and, "will be long remembered"; didn't change word, but the 'spin' is still toxic... Dem arguing about the merits and many failings of Barr and his attempted whitewash job instead of the full report is not out of sense: Barr wrote that memo, not the report and the issue is Barr's intent, honesty, integrity, loyalty to the mandate of his office, and, perhaps ultimately, his fitness to continue as the "Nation's Attorney", all of which have nothing to do with the contents of the report; that will come when Mueller has his turn... As far as the DEMs are concerned, I was also surprised when they didn't move to seriously start something like impeachment proceedings, at least until I came to think what the DEMs are doing is something the GOP is inept at executing: playing the long game. We all know the election is oming up, so why would the DEMs g for a quick strike and meager gains when they can let the GOP and Trump foul their own beds. We all know if anyone can find a way of making a good situation bad and a bad situation worse, its Trump; ably aided by his slapstick band of minions, they will very likely continue to shoot themselves in their asses, providing more fodder for the DEMs to use against Trump, and, if the GOP continues to cling to Trump, they will be painted by the same brush. Remember, in the House Mid-Terms, which are the best metric of the mood of the voters, Trump and the GOP got their collectives asses handed to them; also remember Trump's approval ratings have flat-lined over the course of his term and nothing either he or the GOP has done has moved the ratings appreciably upwards; also remember the disapproval ratings have grown; in fact, it would be expected the Mueller report and the Trump 'spin" of 'total exoneration would have given him a 'bounce' in his ratings; instead he took a small hit; and, on top of that, the percentage of voters who now believe Trump lies increased. The DEMs don't have to do any real heavy lifting: Trump, his minions, his Trumpettes and the GOP are doing all the work for the DEMs... Quote:
Mueller won't be as easy a 'get' as Barr. Mueller is tough old Ranger-trained, Marine officer and a smart, cool customer. I really doubt he'll be anything like the easily rattled Barr we saw today... ..and, as I suspect, he will have one major advantage over anyone who might want to raise doubts about the nature of the Report: I seriously doubt many of the GOP questioners will have actually read the Report (most likely have only been given a 'digest' by their staffs) and Mueller not only has read the Report, he basically wrote it, and, most likely, has more information and background that didn't make it to the final Report... Me, I'd tread lightly if I wanted to question the knowledge of a guy who administered and wrote a 400+ document and all I had was the "cCiff Notes"... <O>
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05-02-19, 08:21 AM | #7005 | |||
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Too bad. I watched most of the hearing live. It was a waste of time. Nothing we didn't already know was revealed. Despite the media spin, Barr handled himself very well. Mueller on the other hand has not. First of all how did this letter get into the public sphere? Leakers gotta leak. It was Mueller not Barr who wanted to control the narrative. Mueller had his own summary which he wanted to get out to do just that. But the truth is that it was not Mueller's prerogative. He is not the AG, Barr is. The AG was having none of this political gamesmanship, which by the way reveals more about Mueller's motives than Barr's. So what did exactly did Barr do that was so wrong? Apparently he didn't play Mueller's political game and Mueller got butt hurt over it. Barr has been accused of covering for Trump yet he released Mueller's report in full. It was something he did not have to do. What am I missing? The bottom line here is that you, the Dems and the left wing MSM are mad at Barr when they should be mad and disappointed with Mueller. Mueller could not dispite his best effort find a single American to charge with conspiracy with Russia in regards to the 2016 election. The Rachel Maddows and Adam Schiffs of the world got your hopes up but alas no payoff. DOJ guidlines don't allow for an inditement of a sitting President. But it was within Mueller's authority to recommend prosecution on obstruction of justice. But he did not. Why? Because he knew there was no case. Instead he used his position to smear Trump politically with his findings. When Barr instead issued a statement explaining that no prosecution would take place Mueller got his feelings hurt. AG Barr did exactly what the Attorney General is supposed to do: avoid smearing unprosecutable people for unspecified crimes. But that is exactly what Mueller did. Quote:
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