US Politics Thread 2021-24

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Is this backed by anything or are you just saying this because it sounds nice? I have never seen someone shovelling public funds into their own pocket more openly like the president-reject.

Here's an illustrative example. The original article was in the NY Times.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ain-the-swamp/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/o...e-problem.html

[Von Due]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Here's an illustrative example. The original article was in the NY Times.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ain-the-swamp/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/o...e-problem.html

The NYT article was written by Peter Schweizer, the "senior editor-at-large" at Breitbart, or as Breitbart themselves refer to him as, a senior contributor. He is the same Peter Schweizer who submitted the article to the mentioned Breitbart.

He is also the president of the Government Accountability Institute (GAI)
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gover...ity-institute/

I would perhaps seek to fact check claims coming from him, just like fact checking anything is a sound idea.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Here's an illustrative example. The original article was in the NY Times.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ain-the-swamp/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/o...e-problem.html

On top of Von Due's remarks (thank you - I even missed that), it's a weak argument, and none for the point you wanted to make, here's why:

- How exactly were Jared Kushner & Invanka Trump qualified for the positions they held? When Hunter Biden should not take advantage of his family ties abroad - what happend there? and who paid that?

- if those two were government employees, why did the receive consultant fees?

- how is foreign officials staying in Trumps hotels and go back home with good deals fitting in?

- who paid for trumps excessive golfing, and who received that money?

- what happened to the donations trump received for his courting against the "widespread election fraud"?

- what, just to change the face for once, happend to Lauren Boebarts tax-debt?

phew. I could go on, but won't for now. Because there's still a lot of my points open and unreplied.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

I have never seen someone shovelling public funds into their own pocket more openly like the president-reject.

I've never seen any proof of Trump and Co. "shoveling public funds into their own pockets". All I've heard was just a bunch of democrats slandering their betters with unsubstantiated accusations. Do you have any actual proof of these crimes? Detailed reports though, no based sources or party propaganda will be acceptable.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by August

I've never seen any proof of Trump and Co. "shoveling public funds into their own pockets". All I've heard was just a bunch of democrats slandering their betters with unsubstantiated accusations. Do you have any actual proof of these crimes? Detailed reports though, no based sources or party propaganda will be acceptable.

Right above your post, go for it.

By the way, the last time you demanded facts ("^This.") they were delivered as well. I'm still waiting for a reaction.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by August

Detailed reports though, no based sources or party propaganda will be acceptable.

I’m glad we finally agree on something

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Right above your post, go for it.

I see no links to any sources at all in your post above August’s. The only sources I can see on this page at all were posted by someone debating with you.

Doing a google search for ‘donald trump embezzlement’ only turns up news articles about cases relating to charities, nothing about taxpayer money.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Right above your post, go for it.

I asked you for proof of the accusation you made. None of that even comes close. I think you are being deliberately untruthful.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by August

I asked you for proof of the accusation you made. None of that even comes close. I think you are being deliberately untruthful.

it's even more subtle than that; I asked questions. care to answer? Or did trump never play golf during his presidency?

[August]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

it's even more subtle than that

Naw I think it's pretty clear, you don't have anything to back up the accusation that you made so now you're desperately trying to change the subject.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by August

Naw I think it's pretty clear, you don't have anything to back up the accusation that you made so now you're desperately trying to change the subject.

I'm not trying to change the subject, I'm asking questions on the subject. evading those questions seem more the strategy to avoid said subject

[Cybermat47]

Sonic, if you have sources, just post them.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Sonic, if you have sources, just post them.

What shall I do with my questions?

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

On top of Von Due's remarks (thank you - I even missed that), it's a weak argument, and none for the point you wanted to make, here's why:

- How exactly were Jared Kushner & Invanka Trump qualified for the positions they held? When Hunter Biden should not take advantage of his family ties abroad - what happend there? and who paid that?

- if those two were government employees, why did the receive consultant fees?

- how is foreign officials staying in Trumps hotels and go back home with good deals fitting in?

- who paid for trumps excessive golfing, and who received that money?

- what happened to the donations trump received for his courting against the "widespread election fraud"?

- what, just to change the face for once, happend to Lauren Boebarts tax-debt?

phew. I could go on, but won't for now. Because there's still a lot of my points open and unreplied.

How was Jared Kushner qualified? Who knows, but three middle east arab countries agreeing to normalizing relations with Israel, due to efforts of Kushner and staff sounds like a good outcome.

Gov't employees receiving consulting fees? If you are doing a *different* job than what you do as a govt employee, you absolutely can get paid. If I write a novel and sell it, my employer still pays me for the work I do for them.

Staying in Trump hotels? And? Trump was not involved in managing that business while he was President.

"Excessive golf?" It's a lot cheaper on the taxpayer for Trump to spend the weekend at his own club than all of Obama's trips to Hawaii.

Donations? No idea.

Boebert's tax debt? It's her business tax debt and there are different laws for businesses than individuals. Her business lost money in 2018 and she's digging out. Records show that the business had paid some of it but not all.

There's the perception of wrongdoing and there's actual wrongdoing. Even when caught red-handed, leftists seem to be made of teflon.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

it's even more subtle than that; I asked questions. care to answer? Or did trump never play golf during his presidency?

what's this obsession with Presidents playing golf? in the last 110 years (going all the way back to 1908) only 3 Presidents didn't play golf, Carter, Truman & Hoover. FYI, Trump did spend 50,000.00$ of his own money to upgrade the golf simulator that Obama had installed in the private residence part of the White House.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

What shall I do with my questions?

You’re the one who said you had proof; where is it?