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03-21-09, 01:05 PM | #31 |
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I drove one of these for two years in the late 1970's. I wish i had one up at the camp!
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03-21-09, 02:30 PM | #32 |
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This is the first time I hear that someone likes the M113.
In the German army most people (especially the drivers and mechanics) did not have a high opinion of that thing.
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03-22-09, 06:08 AM | #33 |
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A German helicopter has crashed in the military exercise, no casualties. Saw about this in the Finnish media, can't find an English link about it.
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03-22-09, 08:41 AM | #34 |
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Well it is a 40 year old design and i don't recall any particular flaws, except that it couldn't stop a bullet.
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03-22-09, 08:53 AM | #35 |
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Not being able to stop bullets is something id concider a flaw when it comes to APC's.
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The M113 doesn't really fill a needed battlefield role, imo. It is too weak to be an IFV, and too inefficient to be a transport. edit- fixed designation, my bad
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03-22-09, 12:47 PM | #38 |
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I do believe he was talking about the M113
Don't think there is an M117 APC
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03-22-09, 12:54 PM | #39 |
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I didn't know that NATO was still using the old shoebox, good to see it still going I thought vehicles like the Hummer and Bradley would have taken over its role by now. I mean, compared to the BTR-70 the armour was better IIRC, although obviously as the BTR series got on I dare say things were improved, by which time the Bradley had come in.
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03-22-09, 01:53 PM | #40 |
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actually i think its mostly the danes using the M113 and that is a M113 in danish service pictured there
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I don't think that is a M-113 APC in that picture. At least it does not look like the 113's I drove. M-113's have five road wheels and a rubber skirt covering the treads on the upper side. So what is that APC in the picture? Could this be the XM546E1? But that was a proposed design for the MIM-46 though. There are not that many APCs with six road wheels and many of them are Chinese and Russian
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Hm, you are right the M113 has only 5 road wheels....
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03-22-09, 06:11 PM | #43 | |
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Of course it's been 30 years since I last sat in one...
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03-22-09, 06:19 PM | #44 |
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Well in all fairness, it wasn't designed to stop bullets. It's an APC, not an AFV, and it did offer a heckuva lot more protection from shrapnel than the trucks and half tracks it was designed to replace.
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03-22-09, 07:45 PM | #45 |
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More pics:
The Government impose new and drastic counter measures to speeding:rotfl: The German chopper that crashed:
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