Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Catfish]

I wonder if any russian ever questioned who gave Putin the right to destroy Ukraine, and then Russia.
The russian-orthodox church would have to explain some things, but I do not think it will survive either.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I wonder if any russian ever questioned who gave Putin the right to destroy Ukraine, and then Russia.
The russian-orthodox church would have to explain some things, but I do not think it will survive either.

If they do it is done very deep inside them-It can be very dangerous to speak openly against this special operation

He wanted to un-nazificate Ukraine-He forgot his own country though.

Markus

[ET2SN]

Putin wanted a "win" and a buffer zone.

A buffer zone against what, ah, I don't know. Free trade and tourism?

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dargo

About time!

Not true, U.S. policy regarding the use of the weapons we supply hasn’t changed. If Ukraine wants to strike across the border into Russia they need to build their own systems to do it.

It leaves Putin without excuses for his eventual failure. And gives Ukraine well deserved & ultimate bragging’ rights IF they succeed.

Like I said before we’ve had our Crispus Atticus, Boston Massacre, Bunker Hill, & Battle of Saratoga. So quit crying like a bunch of socialists expecting everything to be done by somebody else , get to work and mobilize ya biatches. You’ve had damn near thirty years to figure it out so put your lattes & ‘buy me a coffee’ scams to rest and let’s see some fookin’ results.

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Markus

[Dargo]

A Russian soldier from the 138th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade, Andrei Yurgens, was captured in Vovchansk. He said that his brigade, together with the 25th Motor Rifle Brigade, had the task of capturing Vovchansk "in two days." In the area of Vovchansk, the Ukrainian defense has been significantly strengthened, strikes against the enemy are becoming more effective. The Russians are unable to drive out our troops from positions in and around the city. The Russian offensive in the northern part of Kharkiv region has been significantly slowed down. The Russian attack groups have suffered losses but have not yet been defeated, heavy fighting continues. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...58382046367960

Russians are most active on Pokrovsk front – Ukraine's General Staff

The highest activity of Russian troops is currently observed on the Pokrovsk front (Donetsk Oblast). It is reported that the Russian forces continue to increase their efforts on the Pokrovsk front. The number of combat clashes there increased to 30. The Russians, supported by aircraft, were operating near the settlement of Umanske. In general, the Russians continue offensive actions on the contact line, while Ukrainian soldiers hold the line of defence and respond firmly to Russian actions. The number of combat classes increased to 79 over the course of the day. Ukrainian troops continue to resist the Russian invasion in Kharkiv Oblast, where the occupiers have attacked Ukrainian positions five times since the beginning of the day. In particular, the Russians are trying to assault Ukrainian troops near the town of Vovchansk. Supported by aircraft, they are attacking in the area of Lyptsi, Vesele and Udy.

As a result of the fighting in this area, the Rusians lost 35 soldiers killed and injured, and 14 pieces of equipment were destroyed. Another Russian attack took place on the Kupiansk front. As of now, a total of four combat clashes have taken place there.

• On the Lyman front, the Russians slightly increased the intensity of hostilities. The number of attacks increased to five, one of which is still ongoing.
• On the Kramatorsk front, the Russian forces tried to break through our defences 13 times and conducted an airstrike near Chasiv Yar.
• On the Kurakhove front, Russian troops attempted eight assault actions. The Defence Forces successfully repelled all attacks near Kostiantynivka, Novomykhailivka and Krasnohorivka.
• On the Vremivka front, the Russians made eight attempts to dislodge Ukrainian units from their positions near Staromaiorske, Mykilske and Urozhaine. The Russians received a decent rebuff and retreated.
• On the Prydniprovske front, the Russians continue to try to dislodge Ukrainian defenders of the settlement of Krynky. Since the beginning of the day, the Russians have attacked our positions six times, suffered losses and retreated. The data is being clarified.

The situation on other fronts has not changed significantly. Quote: "Ukrainian soldiers continue to hold back the enemy along the entire contact line and inflict heavy losses on them." https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/05/16/7456108/

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Markus

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Markus

[Dargo]

Zelensky: 'Our partners fear that Russia will lose this war'

President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that Ukraine's partners "are afraid of Russia losing the war" and would like Kyiv "to win in such a way that Russia does not lose," Zelensky said in a meeting with journalists attended by the Kyiv Independent. Kyiv's allies "fear" Russia's loss in the war against Ukraine because it would involve "unpredictable geopolitics," according to Zelensky. "I don't think it works that way. For Ukraine to win, we need to be given everything with which one can win," he said.

His statement came on May 16 amid Russia's large-scale offensive in Kharkiv Oblast and ongoing heavy battles further east. In a week, Russian troops managed to advance as far as 10 kilometers in the northern part of Kharkiv Oblast, according to Zelensky. Washington has not changed its negative position on potential Ukrainian strikes with U.S.-supplied weapons on Russian territory even after Russia had launched its offensive in Kharkiv Oblast, the Pentagon said on May 16.

Zelensky commented on this statement during the meeting, saying that "there should be no bans because this is not about a Ukrainian offensive using Western weapons on Russian territory. This is about defense." In an interview with AFP on May 17, the Ukrainian president said that the Kharkiv Oblast offensive could be the first of several waves, and Russian forces may try for the regional capital of Kharkiv. https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky...lose-this-war/

[mapuc]

In fact none of us, not even the expert knows what will happen now and in the future if Russia:
Lose
or
Win

Of course the expert gives their advice on what could happen if Russia win or lose the war.

Markus

[JU_88]

Russia will not be leaving Ukraine with their tail between their legs, I believe they will go all out over it if needed. There is too much at stake - having Nato/EU on that boarder is not an option, (Its a vast flat open border Russia knows it cannot defend from a hypothetical full scale land invasion by the Western allies) from the Kremlins perspective, it IS the end of the world for them to lose Ukraine outright.

[Skybird]

By now and by the poor Western performance I must conclude that Russia will mimimum keep what it already has bitten off, and destroy much of what it cannot control.

Ukraine is done.

Chodorkowski has recently said something similiar at a Western conference, he said he expects Russia to take Charkiv by the end of the year, Odessa in the middle of 2025, and in 2026 Ukraine will be so destroyed and weakend that it cannot maintain classical military operations anymore and will need to wage a pure partisan war only.

My expectation leads into a comparable direction of events. Truth is simply that the West has given up Ukraine and probably never had the intention to do what would be needed to help Ukraine win. A Ukrainian victory was never wanted because it would revolutionize the balance of power in the EU once Ukraine then would join EU, at the costs of Paris and Berlin.

Babble Olaf until today has stubbornly refused to ever use the phrases "Ukrainian victory" and "Russian defeat". He was pressed, urged and pushed to speak it out, and stubbornly refuses it until today. Since over two years. That speaks volumes. He also does not want russian logistics being hurt in Russia.

A year ago or so, last year, Selenskji was asked what he really thought of Bubble Olaf. He answered with a dry smile "Ask me again after the war."

Its always too little, always too late what Ukraine gets. The defeat of Ukraine is already decided in many Western capitals. They want it to lose - to have one problem less and instead to play with their precious EU dreamdancing policies again.


Until today Western Europe has fialed to really switch to wear production. Until today Europe and the US refuse to realistically assess China'S role in this war, and think Chian would want to be a force of peace in this.



Its hopeless. The West, I mean. Head stuck inside the lower rear , so deep like the neck is long.

[mapuc]

I fear you could be right, however I hope you are wrong.



Markus

[JU_88]

Makes Sense that even if the west know is a losing battle and are happy to sacrifice Ukraine - I can imagine there would still be much vested interest in keeping it going as long a as possible,



1) Geopolitics, its good for Nato that Russia is weakened by expending its resources in the fight.

2) MID and arms manufacturers will be doing great out of it as usual.

3) Media distraction from alot of the other dirt going on they dont want people noticing or talking about, like the living standard in the west dropping through the floor and the multiple causes behind it.