Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Here is what I think will happen within the next 1½-2 years ahead.

Russia will, after having lost many men and material take Donbass and Luhansk area. This will be accomplished in the autumn -22

They will not have the pleasure to keep these for long.

As we speak Ukrainian is not only trained in using former soviet weapons but also modern weapon from NATO(Like the 155 mm Howitzer) they are also trained in modern warfare.

These steps will be used in about 1½-2 years from now, where Ukrainian will kick Russia out of Ukraine, including Crimea.

Could be wrong though

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not sure how accurate this is atm.

NATO fighter jets arrived in Ukraine!

[mapuc]

^ I know from the news here and abroad that Ukraine would get some old MIG29 from Poland and some more eastern countries.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Not sure how accurate this is atm.
NATO fighter jets arrived in Ukraine! [...]

Around 20 SU29 from former soviet block states, and spare parts from the US. They can be flown, repaired and maintained by Ukrainians w/o foreign help.

Not heard about "western" fighters yet

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Around 20 SU29 from former soviet block states, and spare parts from the US. They can be flown, repaired and maintained by Ukrainians w/o foreign help.

Not heard about "western" fighters yet

Even though they are old these planes from Poland you could say they came from a NATO country=NATO fighter jets.

Markus

[Catfish]

From the comments: "They're not "NATO fighters". They are former NATO fighters, and now exported aircraft owned by Ukraine."
Posted Numbers differ though. Seems the "spare parts" from Germany are just disassembled planes that can be quickly assembled again. Still Russia has way more fighters, and pilots

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

From the comments: "They're not "NATO fighters". They are former NATO fighters, and now exported aircraft owned by Ukraine."
Posted Numbers differ though. Seems the "spare parts" from Germany are just disassembled planes that can be quickly assembled again. Still Russia has way more fighters, and pilots

You're right it was just me word picking.

So USA will also send some heavy artillery to Ukraine. It's the M777.

The United States has already provided more than 50 million rounds of ammunition to Ukrainian forces. But as troops go through tens of thousands of rounds a day, and fiercer fighting is expected in the coming weeks, there is an urgent need for additional aid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/19/us-t...r-ukraine.html

Tell me when NATO has crossed the line

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Right after Putin crosses the line.

[Moonlight]

Patrick Lancaster is a Russian propaganda mouthpiece, I would take anything he says and films with a pinch of salt, in fact if you take any video or news report that has not been verified as a fact then you are dafter than I thought you all were.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

[Skybird]

FOCUS, Bild Zeitung:

According to "Bild" information, the German government has made it impossible for Ukraine to buy heavy weapons from German arms manufacturers by greatly reducing the offer in advance. The German Defense Ministry, acting on orders from the Chancellor's Office, has removed all heavy weapons from a so-called "industrial list" of German arms manufacturers, the Bild newspaper reported Wednesday from documents it has at its disposal.

The list, shortened from the original 48 to 24 pages and titled "Support Opportunities Industry - Consolidated," had been handed over to the Ukrainian government at the end of March. According to the newspaper, the original list in mid-March had still included heavy weapon systems such as the "Leopard-2" main battle tank, the "Marder" and "Puma" infantry fighting vehicles, and the "Boxer" and "Fuchs" armored personnel carriers. According to the report, the "Panzerhaubitze 2000" howitzer was also initially on the list.
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It gets further reported that Germany plans to completely boycot Russian oil by the end of the year.



Finally it got reported earlier that Germany vetoed/prevented an EU decision to go wioth a gas embrago "lite", an idea that had been borught in by Italy, anothger major customer of Russian gas.



Germany is isolated.


Last, it got reported and speculated that Scholz got a call by Putin who directly threatened him with a nuclear war if German sells heavy arms to the Ukraine or stops preventing the eU frok boycotting gas immedoiaqtrely. Howeverk that report is , as I said, less a repott and more a "reasonably founded speculation". Somehow Scholz' behaviour must be explained.



If thsat is corretc that Putin theatrene Scholz with nulcera war "if", then there would have been only on possible answer: "Hey Vladdy, NATO has nukes too. If we burn, then you basterds will burn with us."

[Catfish]

^ link to the original focus article?

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Skybird

"If we burn, then you basterds will burn with us."

Stoled that right out of Hunger Games didn't you?

[Platapus]

Latest intercepted message from Germany to Poland


"So, just to make sure, you *want* us to move our army across Poland and attack Russia?"


"Last time we did that, you didn't like it. Just want to make sure. "