GER politics thread

[Skybird]

I cannot recall to have ever seen German riot police going to the street with assault rifles on the ready. But this is what it is like now in Hamburg. Special police forces are attacking a certain zone of Hamburg that is known since long as a left hotspot of anarchy and state-hostile sub-"culture". Not police guarding the politicians, not body guards - riot police. It seems the night once again is hot over there.



Dozens of cars of private owners and families have been set ablaze. What exactly had climate policy and Trump protests to do with burning the cars of ordinary families and smashing the windows of little shop owners?



Protest organisers attack the police for being "provoking" and "brutal", demanding that the law shoud be bend in their favour and a certain ammount of violence should be found okay and acceptable, due to "it" being a protest. How many cars burned per street exactly is acceptable, he did not say. Is three cars every 200 m okay? Or just 2 cars? Or better 8, to give some space to avoid misunderstandings and prevent the police from becoming "provoking" again too early?

Residents also said they observed that normally dressed protesters earlier this day suddenly got out of their clothes and then were autonomous black, started to smash windows and set cars ablaze - and then dressed back again and melt into the crowd apparently. Things like this explain quite well why the police is trying to act so "harsh".

Also, looting and plundering got reported today and this night.

In an ideal world, the moment a flying stone or Molotow cocktail leaves your hand, you would be found guilty of vandalism and criminal damage - or attempted murder if it flies not against a window or car, but into a crwod of people, uniform and civilian clothing doe snot matter. In both cases prison time as penalty, and full financial compensation, of course. I do not like suspended sentences, psychvologically they make no sense but even violate psychological learning theory. If you throw a brick or molotow cocktail at a human, you accept him getting killed. And that to me is the intention to kill, plain and simple.

[Skybird]

http://www.zeit.de/hamburg/2017-07/g...chwarzer-block

Was für ein niederträchtig und dämlich daherschwafelndes AL.

The end of a summer fairy tale:

http://www.achgut.com/artikel/das_en...ommermaerchens

P.S. Update on the guys I talked of, they are the sons of a police officer I know here in my hometown, who are in the police themselves, too. They got called as reinforcement for the summit to Hamburg, like so many others. One was attacked by some brute, and treated for two slightly bropken ribs. Well. If you kinow what kind of body armour these riot police officer wear under the black overall, you know the solid and massive quality of it. If then two ribs slightly break, this means that quite immense force and power has been effective at the point of impact on the body. The body armour at that part of the body, so I was told, may be of hard armoured special plastic or carbonfibre material, depending on the model worn, and is over 1 cm thick.

[Skybird]

Protesting against the Donald Trump:


Fighting for social justice:


Loosers Heroes seeking their 15 minutes of fame:


The end of sarcasm: if you throw these at human beings, this is nothing else than attempted murder:

[Schroeder]

For all I care the police should have used rubber bullets (not even sure we still have them). If one of these scum bags buys it from one good riddance. These people deserve years of prison time. But most will get away as usual. Here I wish for the police to be way less restrained. You loot shops, set cars ablaze and throw large rocks at people you deserve no restraint on part of the police.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

For all I care the police should have used rubber bullets (not even sure we still have them). If one of these scum bags buys it from one good riddance. These people deserve years of prison time. But most will get away as usual. Here I wish for the police to be way less restrained. You loot shops, set cars ablaze and throw large rocks at people you deserve no restraint on part of the police.

Agreed and have these summits in more remote areas where innocent locals are less likely to be affected by the opportunistic disgraceful behaviour of these mindless oxygen thieves.

[Skybird]

Official statistic: 476 injured policemen. Yesterday they said that almost 20 thousand policemen were on duty. On average they were over 20 hours per day on station, for several days and nights in a row. All in that heavy protective gear. And summer temperatures. The number of officers who collapsed due to overheating, is not included in the number of injured I mentioned before. Early this week media talked of one dozen on that one day - Monday I think - alone.

All for nothing but a freak show resulting in hot air spoken into microphones, and a gang of self-aggrandising narcissists displaying a feudal attitude of how indispensable they think they are.

Greetings from the tax-payer -.-

[Jimbuna]

Not long ago watched a video report on the troubles and couldn't help thinking when the water cannon were discharged 'probably the only shower a lot of them have had in a good while'.

[Catfish]

Who could have seen this coming..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...o-protest-riot

[Catfish]

Meanwhile, the German Airforce withdraws its jets from "Nato-partner" Turkey..

http://en.azvision.az/news/66672/tur...-incirlik.html

http://www.politico.eu/article/germa...plomatic-spat/

I wonder how this goes on, ten thousands arrested, almost all teachers, and the opposition forced to "vote" for Erdoghan's dictatorship, while he continues to build up an islamic state
Anyway no chance to join the EU now, good.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Not long ago watched a video report on the troubles and couldn't help thinking when the water cannon were discharged 'probably the only shower a lot of them have had in a good while'.

^

There were also many scenes where residents tried to express their thanks for the police trying to protect their homes by having families moving around the parked troop transports and distributing candies, drinks, waterbottles, snacks, and the like. The black shadows over the events after all have been caused by just a few hundred AHs (around 1500, it was said once) that were not about demonstrating at all, never. Many thousands more protested peacefully, even traded greetings with police troopers at the very end.

In some German media an interesting question gets asked. Could it be imagined that we just sit and talk if all that violence against property as well as limb and life would not have been committed by "autonomous" and left-leaning groups, but by rightwing groups and Nazi extremists? The answer is No, and I can easily imagien how plticians already would hyprventilate and the TV channels would go up and down on discussions about how Germans can be activated to enagge agaunst those evil rightwing nutties.

Truth is that we are so left and that SPD, Greens are in troubling parts sympathising with the so-called autonomous scene, that we are measuring things with double standards and are intentionally blind on our left eye, while opening the right eye even wider. And this although the Verfassungsschutz (office for the protection of the constitution) reminded on the fact that in 2015 there have been almost twice as many violent criminal acts committed by left extremists, than by right extremists, also there are more lft than right extremists being observed in Germany.

When former SPD ministress for social affairs and family Manuela Schwesig took to office some years ago, the first thing she did was to cancel a partial ban on state-financing the "alternative" scene associated with the political left - while leaving the same ban on the right-leaning alternative scene in place.

We gloss over left extremist violence, and give it a nice appearing and sweet-talking over it. Its harmnless, its left, and left has somethignt o do with legitimate social demands and problems, right? The "right" meanwhile gets deminised even more, and more and more the brandmark of "right" is beign used to silence unwanted opinions and critics in general - who originally are not any rightwing and extremkst at all.

Meanwhile the lawyer of the alternative scene in Hamburg, who is an old dog himself and part of that "scene", said that many of this scene, including himself, tolerate and sympathise with the use of violence - but demanded that people should not vandalise in the city district where this "scene" feels at home, but should set ablaze other city districts instead , namely that of the wealthier class.

Its about loosers not wanting to take responsibility for where they are in life. Its like always when "social justice" and "socialist revolution" get propagated: its about envy, plain and simple.

Once again I am with Hayek there, who said that although he spend decades on thinking about the meaning of the phrase "social justice" he finally came to the conclusion that the term is utterly meaningless in essence, and I would add: its all too often an excuse for mere robbing and plundering. With or without state license.

I have been to Hamburg repeatedly earlier this year, having a series of business dates. Not the worst place on Earth to live in. And the Hanseatic mentality and attitude is special anyway.

[Catfish]

^ which of all is true for all G20 summits, and "protesters".
Not an entirely german phenomene and to be expected.
Again why in a big city, instead of a camp far out?

[Skybird]

Some years ago I caused a row in this forum when i first revealed that I pretty much despise two icons of the self-rightous philantropists: the so-called Mother Theresa, also known as Angel from Hell, and Mahatma Gandhi.

Stumbled over this. Its not really German politics, but since it is written in German, I put it in here. About the dark sides of Ghandi, who apparently was a racist and despiser of women and women equality.

http://www.focus.de/wissen/mensch/ra...d_7345145.html

Add to this that if Nehru wouldn'T have stopped him, at minimum three million Indians would have died by starvation in the first year alone if Gandhi would have had his ways with his agricultural reforms.

Its time to kick this monument of its pillar. It never belonged there. He had no skills and no special understandings and no superior moral or philosophy. What he had, was simply: LUCK.

[Catfish]

And this man is a lawyer ?!

[mapuc]

A newspaper had this link on they fb-page. The article was about how much Germany had earned on Greece economy-problems

GERMANY has profited from Greece's debt misery to the tune of £1.19billion (€1.34bn), shock figures have revealed.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...terest-payment

(The article could also have been put in our Greece thread, however that thread is long gone and this Germany thread is still alive)

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