A small but startling adendum to the DRM issue - for those with long attention spans - Page 2

Letum · 02-07-10, 06:32 AM

OT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diopos

Ancient question. Was it Plato that asked "who will guard us against our guardians ?" or something similar?

Defiantly not Plato.
Plato took the attitude of "I'm really clever so I should rule you all because it would be a disaster if you rabble had any power over your own fate; idiots you are".

Brag · 02-07-10, 07:07 AM

Thanks, Rascal. This is beginning to sound like scary science fiction, Step by small step toward total control.

Of course, there are a lot more of us vs. THEM. So it is a matter of accepting the unacceptable or drawing the line, NOW!

Ragtag · 02-07-10, 07:07 AM

I use the Office 2010 myself and you don't have to be online to use it.
Why she think's one have to is beyond me. Internet is only required for some functions... as usual.

Here's a link to the official requirement's: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...ffice.14).aspx

HundertzehnGustav · 02-07-10, 07:27 AM

Microsoft Excel 2010

The following table lists the system requirements for Microsoft Excel 2010.
<snipped>

Internet Explorer 6 or later, 32-bit browser only. Internet functionality requires Internet access (fees might apply).

??

why do i need internet access to do excel in Office 2010?
Server connectivity is okay, cause you are most likely in a business environment where fdata is stored on your Local server but why on your desk?
?

*edit*
NOTE:those are the beta requirements, so the internet acces might be for validation purposes.

Arclight · 02-07-10, 07:32 AM

Anyone remember OnLive?

Quote:

OnLive is a gaming-on-demand game platform, announced at the Game Developers Conference in 2009. The service is a gaming equivalent of cloud computing: the game is synchronized, rendered, and stored on a remote server and delivered online. The service was announced to be compatible with any Windows PC running Windows XP or Windows Vista, or any Intel-based Mac running OS X and on smartphones. A low-end computer, as long as it can play video, may be used to play any kind of game since the game is computed on the OnLive server. For that reason, the service is being seen as a strong competitor for the console market. Steve Perlman states that a 1.5 Mbps connection will be needed to display games in SDTV resolution (typical output of Wii and previous generation console titles) while 4-5 Mbps will be needed for HDTV resolution, such as those output by the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. The average broadband connection speed in the US at the end of 2008 was 3.9 Mbps, while 25% of US broadband connections were rated faster than 5 Mbps.

It was announced that Electronic Arts, Take-Two, Ubisoft, Epic Games, Atari, Codemasters, THQ, Warner Bros., 2D Boy and Eidos Interactive have signed up to have their PC games available on the service. Sixteen game titles are currently available from the OnLive service. The service was originally planned for a retail release in the winter of 2009. However it has yet to be released. Steve Perlman plans to offer the service in the United Kingdom and the rest of Europe after getting it established in the United States over the coming year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnLive

Was in the news a while back, dropped of the radar since then.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-07-10, 07:34 AM

but still in development i betcha. will resurface in the future when its ready to put its gun in our faces.

such technologies are not shared with the public, as they are the treasures of the corporations that develop them.

Brace for impact i say.

Ragtag · 02-07-10, 07:34 AM

Connection required for some functions... quite logic isn't it?
It's always been that way and 2010 is no different in that department.
There are some new stuff in 2010 that requires a connection and that is what the requirements says.

Steeltrap · 02-07-10, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Microsoft Excel 2010

Internet Explorer 6 or later, 32-bit browser only. Internet functionality requires Internet access (fees might apply).

If you read carefully, it says you need internet access for internet functions. 'Fees might apply' refers to the fact you'll probably have to pay for your internet.

So what functions? Things like the online Microsoft help, etc.

So it DOESN'T mean you need the internet to use its 'core' functions.

As for cloud computing, that's partly a reaction to the costs involved in the infrastructure for running a business of any 'medium/large' size. They're very large costs.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-07-10, 09:07 AM

Hm when have i last used MS help....
i prefer the RTFM approach.

zakarpatska · 02-07-10, 09:24 AM

A little googling indicates that the "Who will guard the guards" or "Who will watch the watchers" quote comes from Juvenal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenal

ryanglavin · 02-07-10, 09:47 AM

I can't wait till the day I have 1000 saves on ubisofts server because i feel like it, then an EMP goes off over N america.

tater · 02-07-10, 09:58 AM

Yeah, "for internet functions."

I cannot imagine a business willing to pay for an app used for daily operation (Word, Excel, etc) that would cease to function if someone at some other business kicked the cord out. Would you?

"Sorry, Mr. Customer, I could not fedex you a packet describing our new offering for you because Word was down due to a car crash that took out a phone line."

"The dog ate my homework, too."

Diopos · 02-07-10, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zakarpatska

A little googling indicates that the "Who will guard the guards" or "Who will watch the watchers" quote comes from Juvenal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenal

Both correct! (oddly enough...

!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_cu...os_custodes%3F

Robsoie · 02-07-10, 10:27 AM

When one need an application for work it is always a good idea to check the open source world and the talented people coding there.
Not only the sources can actually be checked to avoid some nasty spying and external company control on your system, but most are not some low level applications, but often are as feature packed as the commercial alternative :

Want a valid and good alternative to Office ?
Open Office

Want a valid and good alternative to high level modelling softwares ?
Blender

Want a valid and good alternative to Photoshop ?
Gimp

etc ... etc ...

Jan Kyster · 02-07-10, 10:32 AM

If you want the online version of Office, yes, you'll need an online connection? like Google's "office" application. What's odd about that??

Your documents are viewable in browsers and can be accesed from everywhere... aka cloud computing through Office Web Apps.
Please note these applications are for free....

If you want an Office with off-line capabilities, you go buy the full thingy... which is really cheap btw...

Your GF is wrongly informed - or misleading you.

02-07-10, 07:07 AM	#17
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02-07-10, 07:07 AM	#18
Ragtag Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 654 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	I use the Office 2010 myself and you don't have to be online to use it. Why she think's one have to is beyond me. Internet is only required for some functions... as usual. Here's a link to the official requirement's: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...ffice.14).aspx __________________ Intel I7-7800x CPU. 16Gb G.skill DDR4 3600MHz. Asrock Taichi X299 mb Palit RTX 2080Ti. Fortron 1000W PSU. BenQ XR3501R LCD.

02-07-10, 07:27 AM	#19
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Microsoft Excel 2010 The following table lists the system requirements for Microsoft Excel 2010. <snipped> Internet Explorer 6 or later, 32-bit browser only. Internet functionality requires Internet access (fees might apply). ?? why do i need internet access to do excel in Office 2010? Server connectivity is okay, cause you are most likely in a business environment where fdata is stored on your Local server but why on your desk? ? edit NOTE:those are the beta requirements, so the internet acces might be for validation purposes. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

02-07-10, 07:34 AM	#21
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	but still in development i betcha. will resurface in the future when its ready to put its gun in our faces. such technologies are not shared with the public, as they are the treasures of the corporations that develop them. Brace for impact i say. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

02-07-10, 07:34 AM	#22
Ragtag Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 654 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	Connection required for some functions... quite logic isn't it? It's always been that way and 2010 is no different in that department. There are some new stuff in 2010 that requires a connection and that is what the requirements says. __________________ Intel I7-7800x CPU. 16Gb G.skill DDR4 3600MHz. Asrock Taichi X299 mb Palit RTX 2080Ti. Fortron 1000W PSU. BenQ XR3501R LCD.

02-07-10, 09:07 AM	#24
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Hm when have i last used MS help.... i prefer the RTFM approach. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

02-07-10, 09:24 AM	#25
zakarpatska Loader Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 88 Downloads: 127 Uploads: 0	A little googling indicates that the "Who will guard the guards" or "Who will watch the watchers" quote comes from Juvenal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenal

02-07-10, 09:47 AM	#26
ryanglavin Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Evading that Hunter/Killer Group on my Tail Posts: 584 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	I can't wait till the day I have 1000 saves on ubisofts server because i feel like it, then an EMP goes off over N america.

02-07-10, 09:58 AM	#27
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Yeah, "for internet functions." I cannot imagine a business willing to pay for an app used for daily operation (Word, Excel, etc) that would cease to function if someone at some other business kicked the cord out. Would you? "Sorry, Mr. Customer, I could not fedex you a packet describing our new offering for you because Word was down due to a car crash that took out a phone line." "The dog ate my homework, too."

02-07-10, 10:27 AM	#29
Robsoie Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 130 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	When one need an application for work it is always a good idea to check the open source world and the talented people coding there. Not only the sources can actually be checked to avoid some nasty spying and external company control on your system, but most are not some low level applications, but often are as feature packed as the commercial alternative : Want a valid and good alternative to Office ? Open Office Want a valid and good alternative to high level modelling softwares ? Blender Want a valid and good alternative to Photoshop ? Gimp etc ... etc ...

02-07-10, 10:32 AM	#30
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	If you want the online version of Office, yes, you'll need an online connection? like Google's "office" application. What's odd about that?? Your documents are viewable in browsers and can be accesed from everywhere... aka cloud computing through Office Web Apps. Please note these applications are for free.... If you want an Office with off-line capabilities, you go buy the full thingy... which is really cheap btw... Your GF is wrongly informed - or misleading you.