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Old 09-21-22, 08:10 AM   #2611
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Old 09-22-22, 01:59 PM   #2612
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Old 09-24-22, 10:00 AM   #2613
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Thanks for the support! One of the things I am proud of is that the Mary Rose contains no parts from existing ships...like the other models for WOTK she is 100% scratch built.

And thank you for that video, it's very valuable. Good news, a new submarine has been implemented...no CTDs or problems! U23 model has been corrected too. More screenshots to be posted this weekend or Monday.
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Old 09-25-22, 01:25 PM   #2614
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I have secured from silent running to say this: keep up the great work!

I'm beyond thrilled to see this mod be released.

I'll be damned if you don't get a medal for this, skipper. This is super exciting stuff right here!


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Old 09-30-22, 05:56 PM   #2615
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In WW2 the U-boat skippers had gadgets like the RAOBF to calculate the target data and the TDC to compile it into a firing solution. Plus a hydrophone to detect ships and submarines. How did the u-boats of WW1 handle these tasks? And how is early war ASW going to be represented in the mod? Small boats with sailors armed with hammers?
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Old 10-01-22, 02:01 PM   #2616
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In WW2 the U-boat skippers had gadgets like the RAOBF to calculate the target data and the TDC to compile it into a firing solution. Plus a hydrophone to detect ships and submarines. How did the u-boats of WW1 handle these tasks? And how is early war ASW going to be represented in the mod? Small boats with sailors armed with hammers?
When do you think depth charges and and early hydrophones were introduced.
Rhetorical question. No reply required. Sounds to me like you need to do a little reading on ASW in WW1.
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Old 10-01-22, 09:12 PM   #2617
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Sounds to me like you need to do a little reading on ASW in WW1.
I suspect that you're being a bit harsh on SwissSubCommander.

Passive hydrophones on escorts were rare until very late in the War and the problems of self-noise and signal interpretation were both works in progress and nowhere near to being even vestigially solved. The British had worked ahead on the problem because thanks to the fixed array of hydrophones that were placed in the Channel near Dover in 1917 but they generally only managed to detect surfaced U-Boats running the Dover Patrol's gauntlet.

ASDIC would not appear for trials before 1919 and it was into the 1920's before the first destroyer was so equipped. Then it took several years of trial and error to develop the skills and the tactics and to train instructors to run the operator training courses.

Most WW1 submarines were sunk by gunfire and or ramming but the biggest killer was mines. Depth charges were large and few in number, at least at first, during the summer of 1917. However, submarines were quite fragile, had poor underwater endurance and limited battery power. With few exceptions, the obvious one being the Royal Navy's R-Class boats, subs and U-Boats lacked hydrophones so unless the captain risked raising the periscope, he was as blind as the hunters.

Most submarine and U-Boat classes were slow to dive, which made them vulnerable to being surprised, particularly at night and in bad weather. Because antenna theory was still in its infancy, virtually all installations had a transmitting and separate receiving antenna, which required stowing before the boat could dive and this took time. Failure to do so would usually render the wireless useless and that usually aborted the patrol.

Being a submariner in any navy during WW1 was a dangerous business.

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Old 10-02-22, 07:03 AM   #2618
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I suspect that you're being a bit harsh on SwissSubCommander.

Passive hydrophones on escorts were rare until very late in the War and the problems of self-noise and signal interpretation were both works in progress and nowhere near to being even vestigially solved. The British had worked ahead on the problem because thanks to the fixed array of hydrophones that were placed in the Channel near Dover in 1917 but they generally only managed to detect surfaced U-Boats running the Dover Patrol's gauntlet.

ASDIC would not appear for trials before 1919 and it was into the 1920's before the first destroyer was so equipped. Then it took several years of trial and error to develop the skills and the tactics and to train instructors to run the operator training courses.

Most WW1 submarines were sunk by gunfire and or ramming but the biggest killer was mines. Depth charges were large and few in number, at least at first, during the summer of 1917. However, submarines were quite fragile, had poor underwater endurance and limited battery power. With few exceptions, the obvious one being the Royal Navy's R-Class boats, subs and U-Boats lacked hydrophones so unless the captain risked raising the periscope, he was as blind as the hunters.

Most submarine and U-Boat classes were slow to dive, which made them vulnerable to being surprised, particularly at night and in bad weather. Because antenna theory was still in its infancy, virtually all installations had a transmitting and separate receiving antenna, which required stowing before the boat could dive and this took time. Failure to do so would usually render the wireless useless and that usually aborted the patrol.

Being a submariner in any navy during WW1 was a dangerous business.

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Old 10-02-22, 09:47 AM   #2619
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Please keep it civil, everyone.


Apologies for no screenshots as scheduled .... the landlubbers at my job are driving me nuts. On the plus side I had a nice chat with Capt. Lehmann on Friday; very productive!

Work this past week included the following.

-Adding U-51 Class details as seen below. Needs polishing and correct vent holes, plus more conning tower work, but she is in and doesn't crash the game.






-Began WOTK architecture sub-project...all new destructible buildings. Detailed and appropriate for European - theatre ports of 1914-1918. (As a side note, there are plans for an indestructible monument to Sailor Steve and other fallen shipmates who contributed to the project).

-Research on additional sub types .... things have been going so well with existing subs that more player units may be added; this represents very little additional work because some of them were modeled earlier and then put aside on my hard drive. Likely additions include UB-II Class, U-81 Class plus variants, U-63 Class, U-93 Class, and U-66 Class.






-HMS Arethusa Class light cruisers being modeled as AI units. Very common enemy units that fought at Jutland and in the North Sea.






-Preparing the U-9 Class for implementation; the attack on Aboukir, Cressy, and Hogue will be one of the single missions available.

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When do you think depth charges and and early hydrophones were introduced.
Rhetorical question. No reply required. Sounds to me like you need to do a little reading on ASW in WW1.
I was not asking only about ASW, but also about the offensive tools of the German U-Boats. I was wondering what tools the U-Boat skippers had to aid them in determining the lead angle for their eels or if they had to rely solely on guesswork. Btw here is your early-WW1 ASW: https://www.wearethemighty.com/artic...he%20periscope.
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Old 10-03-22, 04:04 AM   #2624
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Awesome stuff! IABL! Impressive to say the least!

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Old 10-03-22, 07:53 AM   #2625
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In WW2 the U-boat skippers had gadgets like the RAOBF to calculate the target data and the TDC to compile it into a firing solution. Plus a hydrophone to detect ships and submarines. How did the u-boats of WW1 handle these tasks? And how is early war ASW going to be represented in the mod? Small boats with sailors armed with hammers?
There was a good post several months ago about the primitive "computer" and rulers used as a targeting system by WWI skippers....nothing like a modern "computer"; it was an unpowered device with no screen. Unfortunately it can't be included in the mod because of the lack of images; I have not been able to find out what all its parts looked like. Also, exchanging the existing targeting objects for them would be another problem. Not a huge loss because in real life the "computer" was disliked by many skippers and inaccurate. At present I will have a WWII targeting interface similar to what is in UBoat and SHIV ATO mods with restrictions, such as no FAT functionality/leg settings, no homing, and reduced torpedo gyro arc setting options to represent more limited WWI torpedoes, like the 45cm "C" series and the 50cm G6.

Early ASW will feature crude depth charge predecessors like bomb-floats; these equipped several Q ships and escorts. There will also be some hydrophones; they were used with some success but were more common on late war escorts circa 1917-1918. I may use a weakened version of sonar just to make sure escorts don't give up the chase, although it is not 100% historical; I still want there to be frightening depth charge attacks once DC's are available. Despite mediocre sensors the allies often had a good idea of where a U-Boat was in WWI - to the point where in one month in 1918 front line U-Boats suffered about a 25% sinking rate. By the end of the war, the hydrophone + DC equipped destroyers were very deadly.

I will try to find the post for you after work; going out on the job now!

And thank you, Captain Lehmann, for the compliments, this week expect to see more progress!

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