2016 US Presidential election thread - Page 165

AVGWarhawk · 08-08-16, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Until this day I had never heard of jury nullification. After reading several articles on the history, causes and effects of that practice, I agree with August. I also start to find Gary Johnson and the Libertarians more attractive.

I'm not entirely sold on Gary Johnson. I have a hard time with position of CEO of a marijuana company. But that is just me.

mapuc · 08-08-16, 11:43 AM

When I saw an article about trump in a Swedish online news paper I recalled August picture # 2458 some pages back

The headline in the article

"Donald Trump is a notorious liar"

Says two American professors
Douglas Brinkley and Theda Skocpol

In my two countries-every politicians do nothing then lie to us-and we believe them.

Markus

08-08-16, 12:59 PM

Any thoughts on this?

Quote:

Evan McMullin: Independent candidate launches presidential bid

Former CIA agent Evan McMullin is set to announce his independent presidential bid as an alternative to Republican nominee Donald Trump, US media reports. Mr McMullin, the chief policy director of the House Republican Conference, is backed by an anti-Trump group. He is likely to face challenges in appearing on some state ballots just three months before Election Day. The 40-year-old Mormon has never held elected office.
Mr McMullin is an outspoken critic of Mr Trump on social media, calling the businessman an "authoritarian".
...

"It's never too late to do the right thing, and America deserves much better than either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton can offer us. I humbly offer myself as a leader who can give millions of disaffected Americans a conservative choice for President," Mr McMullin said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37012626

Does he stand the slightest chance of actually getting a significant number of GOP and undecided voters behind him? Or just enough to damage Trump's chances? Or not enough to matter?

August · 08-08-16, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Any thoughts on this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37012626

Does he stand the slightest chance of actually getting a significant number of GOP and undecided voters behind him? Or just enough to damage Trump's chances? Or not enough to matter?

Never heard of him, nor I'm guessing neither have most other people. I doubt he'd make much of a dent.

Oberon · 08-08-16, 01:32 PM

He's ex-CIA, so perhaps there'll be a lot of Floridas this time around.

Platapus · 08-08-16, 03:24 PM

The Logic is hard to refute

Oberon · 08-08-16, 10:20 PM

Does seem to be the current trend to express dissatisfaction with the wealthy upper class ruling the country by voting in a wealthy member of the upper class.

Catfish · 08-09-16, 01:35 AM

A bit OT, only reacting to Oberon's post:

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Does seem to be the current trend to express dissatisfaction with the wealthy upper class ruling the country by voting in a wealthy member of the upper class.

Same as in England and .. everywhere. Must be some delusional thinking.

I guess it is because there are still people who think they belong to this certain "upper class" in certain countries, which again will never let "the people" in.
Thinking they can become rich or the president, if they start as dishwashers and only adapt and work hard enough. Seldom works though.

Also strange what i saw in Germany:
- People who get unemployment benefits, call others who get it freeloaders or worse, looking down upon them.
- Also people from abroad rage against other immigrants or speak dismissive of them, even if they are from the same country.

If i only vote for them, they will accept me and i will rise to their level. Fat chance.
So good old egoism, grudge and the idea to deserve, and be, something better than your neighbour.

August · 08-09-16, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Does seem to be the current trend to express dissatisfaction with the wealthy upper class ruling the country by voting in a wealthy member of the upper class.

Don't confuse the wealthy class with the ruling class. There are members of the former (such as Trump) that do not belong to the latter.

Catfish · 08-09-16, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Don't confuse the wealthy class with the ruling class. There are members of the former (such as Trump) that do not belong to the latter.

Though you have to be a member of the wealthy class, to become one of the ruling class. There is almost never anyone of the not wealthy or not ruling class, among the applicants.

AVGWarhawk · 08-09-16, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Don't confuse the wealthy class with the ruling class. There are members of the former (such as Trump) that do not belong to the latter.

The wealthy class use the ruling class as puppets. Indirectly one and the same.

Mr Quatro · 08-09-16, 09:46 AM

It is after all a numbers game

The rich decide who runs for office

The poor decide which one will win

Torvald Von Mansee · 08-09-16, 09:59 AM

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ex_cid=rrpromo

August · 08-09-16, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Though you have to be a member of the wealthy class, to become one of the ruling class. There is almost never anyone of the not wealthy or not ruling class, among the applicants.

Correct, however it'd be wrong to assume they were one in the same as Oberon implied.

Platapus · 08-09-16, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Though you have to be a member of the wealthy class, to become one of the ruling class. There is almost never anyone of the not wealthy or not ruling class, among the applicants.

If a rich person becomes the ruling class, it may not be a problem. What I have a problem is that a ruling class becomes rich.

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 18,164 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	When I saw an article about trump in a Swedish online news paper I recalled August picture # 2458 some pages back The headline in the article "Donald Trump is a notorious liar" Says two American professors Douglas Brinkley and Theda Skocpol In my two countries-every politicians do nothing then lie to us-and we believe them. Markus

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	He's ex-CIA, so perhaps there'll be a lot of Floridas this time around.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Does seem to be the current trend to express dissatisfaction with the wealthy upper class ruling the country by voting in a wealthy member of the upper class.