Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 156

Armistead · 03-16-22, 12:27 PM

Saw some reports Ukrainian soldiers around Melitopol are not taking prisoners due to mass attacks on civilians.

Jimbuna · 03-16-22, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Saw some reports Ukrainian soldiers around Melitopol are not taking prisoners due to mass attacks on civilians.

As bad and sad as it seems, I think that is inevitable now.

Jeff-Groves · 03-16-22, 12:36 PM

"Take a step back, take a deep breath, clear your mind"

So you expect us to listen to a Guy that is 'in it for the money'?

mapuc · 03-16-22, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

There are no military operations! That's a false news story!
The building fell down by themselves! There are no troops in Ukraine!
It's a humanitarian exercise. Nazi's!

Take your pick.

Fact is the Russian forces are getting their arses handed to them an a way that makes their Afghanistan episode look like a massive success!

Then imagine what they would get if the attacked a NATO member.

You could also say they are paying a lot for the lesson they get from the Ukrainians.

The top of the Russian military has huge task in front of them-Reorganize the whole system.

Markus

Otto Harkaman · 03-16-22, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

"Take a step back, take a deep breath, clear your mind"

So you expect us to listen to a Guy that is 'in it for the money'?

No I don't WANT you to do anything but if it looks of interest, your welcome

Jeff-Groves · 03-16-22, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Saw some reports Ukrainian soldiers around Melitopol are not taking prisoners due to mass attacks on civilians.

As a ParaTrooper? I was told under extreme situations there would be no prisoners. That meant I would not be a prisoner and those that surrendered could not be held so had to be permanently removed from battle.

War is Hell.

We have not moved so far distant from WWI or WWII as most want to believe.

Jeff-Groves · 03-16-22, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

No I don't WANT you to do anything but if it looks of interest, your welcome

Well Thank You but I find that Guy just in it for the money and hits he gets.
I find his so called "Expert" look at things skewed and his presentation just show boat.

Armistead · 03-16-22, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

It has been reported that Marina Ovsyannikova has been fined the equivalent of £215 for her actions. Her release from incarceration was on the news yesterday. Marina reported she had been interrogated for 14 hours after her actions. Marina is one brave lady for her opposition to this stupid incursion into the Ukraine. Apparently, Marina feels a sense of obligation to journalism and reporting things accurately.

To be honest, when Marina was picked up by Putin's henchmen, I never thought to see her again. I was very happy to see she was physically alright.

I thought the fine was for her prerecorded video and she still faces charges for her news show event..

Jimbuna · 03-16-22, 12:53 PM

astvitaliy1982 · 03-16-22, 02:13 PM

Hi, I want to ask, has anyone among you fought in hot spots?
I'm sure it is. Then you know what is the power of correct and
timely information in the war and what is the power of the correct
presentation of information to the population of your country.

And what is the power of Disinformation?

I will not write much, I will give just one case.
(just concerning the conflict in Ukraine).

The day before yesterday, a Tochka-U missile struck the center of my city
of Donetsk (DPR) from the territory of Ukraine. 23 people were killed
and about 30 injured. Earlier I wrote about smaller victims,
but now they are exactly like that. The blow was struck from
Ukraine. (from the area of the city of Krasnoarmeysk).

An hour after the incident, I go to the social networks
of the Telegram application and watch the news.
- In Kiev! A missile strike was launched by Russia.
And attached are photos of dead civilians and a child from my Donetsk.

According to your news, it was not shown at all...

The next evening (yesterday), another Tochka-U rocket flew to us.
To the city of Makeyevka (you can say this is a continuation of the city of Donetsk)
Guess from where?) From Ukraine... People were killed and three children were severely injured...

You don't know anything about it either...

The missiles were shot down in the air but had cluster charges.
It was these remnants of cassettes that killed people.

P. S. Yesterday it was the sixteenth Tochka- U missile shot down over the city
For the last two and a half weeks...

mapuc · 03-16-22, 02:42 PM

^ astvitaliy1982 I don't think anyone in here are questioning that it hasn't happened as you describe in your comment.

I made a search for this Tochka- U missile and found this page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka

Look at this section

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21...2%80%93present)

As I see it, it's word against word.

I must say I have tendency to believe the Ukrainians-Why !?
The Russian is committing massive bombardment of cities where the percentage Russian population is high. Kharkiv is one of them-The Russian population in this area is high.

Markus

Skybird · 03-16-22, 03:01 PM

Astvitaly1982,

^ Your word against theirs.

You imply to be directly affected by being in location, thus you tend to see the guilt for that incident with the other side. But fact is you have no evidence for your interpretation of the story either.

And you speak on behalf of a side that commits war crimes and genocide notoriously, and has done so already in the wars before the Ukraine war. In Syria. In Georgia. Intentional targetted shelling of civilian buildings. Intention: to spread terror, to demoralise the population, and make them stop supporting their govenrment(s).

Currently Russian troops hold hostage a hospital in Mariupol while shooting artillery from it. And in the news they say a theatre has been bombed by Russia that was serving as bomb shelter for several hundred civilians. I saw the film and saw a buolding that collapsed, if huindreds opf peopel were inside, than many of them must be dead. Great going, Russia! Mass killer for the last 100 years, still a mass killer today.

Russia has a long record to commit war crimes and genocidal acts. Already before the Ukraine invasion. A VERY long history.

In the bigger picture of these Russian-made atrocities and war crimes, your missile story is relatively irrelevant, a minoir event amongst thiosuands of others. After all it is not the Ukrainians' fault that msisiles are flying. Its Russia's.

Sorry to be rude but you raise your voice for the side that is clearly the villain in all this mess and commits one atrocity after the other and intentionally mass-kills civilians and intentionally targets them, and now even shamelessly hides behind them.

There is a simple way to end all this drama: have the Russian attackers moving out of the Ukraine and leaving it alone. Russia attacked the Ukraine and invaded it - its not the other way around. Opposing opinions hardly will be met with much sympathy here. Today is the first time ever the US president did no longer shy away from calling Putin a war criminal, the internal EU court has demanded Russia to stop its unjustified attack on the Ukraine, and international law experts have made it clear that Putin and Gerasimov fulfill the criteria to be brought to the Hague for genocide as defined by the anti-genocide convention of the UN.

For my own part, I think their names will be rightfully mentioned in one breath in the future with that of Hitler and Stalin. They do their best to boost their body counts, both friend and foe.

Man eaters and soul slaughterers they are. The gallow is still too good for them.

Otto Harkaman · 03-16-22, 03:16 PM

Russian Navy Landing Ships Seen Approaching Ukrainian Coast Near Odessa

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...t-near-odessa/

astvitaliy1982 · 03-16-22, 03:19 PM

I wrote about Disinformation.
I just want to explain that you should not believe everything that is shown on TV.
Japanese youth also still think that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed by the USSR... Believe only Your eyes and check the information in different sources.

Catfish · 03-16-22, 03:28 PM

You are right, in a way.

Disinformation and maskirovska were Russia's or Putin's forte, but it backfired, and right now the whole world sees what is going on.
You can load all kinds of apps internationally and see through Putin's bs everywhere.

This does not mean that Russia can not "win" in the end (though i now doubt it), but even if you will never be able to subdue the Ukraine's people, or make Russia a respected member of the world again, in centuries to come.

03-16-22, 12:27 PM	#2326
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,864 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Saw some reports Ukrainian soldiers around Melitopol are not taking prisoners due to mass attacks on civilians. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

03-16-22, 12:53 PM	#2334
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03-16-22, 02:13 PM	#2335
astvitaliy1982 Lieutenant Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 259 Downloads: 550 Uploads: 0	news Hi, I want to ask, has anyone among you fought in hot spots? I'm sure it is. Then you know what is the power of correct and timely information in the war and what is the power of the correct presentation of information to the population of your country. And what is the power of Disinformation? I will not write much, I will give just one case. (just concerning the conflict in Ukraine). The day before yesterday, a Tochka-U missile struck the center of my city of Donetsk (DPR) from the territory of Ukraine. 23 people were killed and about 30 injured. Earlier I wrote about smaller victims, but now they are exactly like that. The blow was struck from Ukraine. (from the area of the city of Krasnoarmeysk). An hour after the incident, I go to the social networks of the Telegram application and watch the news. - In Kiev! A missile strike was launched by Russia. And attached are photos of dead civilians and a child from my Donetsk. According to your news, it was not shown at all... The next evening (yesterday), another Tochka-U rocket flew to us. To the city of Makeyevka (you can say this is a continuation of the city of Donetsk) Guess from where?) From Ukraine... People were killed and three children were severely injured... You don't know anything about it either... The missiles were shot down in the air but had cluster charges. It was these remnants of cassettes that killed people. P. S. Yesterday it was the sixteenth Tochka- U missile shot down over the city For the last two and a half weeks...

03-16-22, 02:42 PM	#2336
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 18,141 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ astvitaliy1982 I don't think anyone in here are questioning that it hasn't happened as you describe in your comment. I made a search for this Tochka- U missile and found this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka Look at this section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21...2%80%93present) As I see it, it's word against word. I must say I have tendency to believe the Ukrainians-Why !? The Russian is committing massive bombardment of cities where the percentage Russian population is high. Kharkiv is one of them-The Russian population in this area is high. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

03-16-22, 03:01 PM	#2337
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,662 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Astvitaly1982, ^ Your word against theirs. You imply to be directly affected by being in location, thus you tend to see the guilt for that incident with the other side. But fact is you have no evidence for your interpretation of the story either. And you speak on behalf of a side that commits *war crimes and genocide* notoriously, and has done so already in the wars before the Ukraine war. In Syria. In Georgia. *Intentional* targetted shelling of civilian buildings. Intention: to spread terror, to demoralise the population, and make them stop supporting their govenrment(s). Currently Russian troops hold hostage a hospital in Mariupol while shooting artillery from it. And in the news they say a theatre has been bombed by Russia that was serving as bomb shelter for several hundred civilians. I saw the film and saw a buolding that collapsed, if huindreds opf peopel were inside, than many of them must be dead. Great going, Russia! Mass killer for the last 100 years, still a mass killer today. Russia has a long record to commit war crimes and genocidal acts. Already before the Ukraine invasion. A VERY long history. In the bigger picture of these Russian-made atrocities and war crimes, your missile story is relatively irrelevant, a minoir event amongst thiosuands of others. After all it is not the Ukrainians' fault that msisiles are flying. *Its Russia's.* Sorry to be rude but you raise your voice for the side that is clearly the villain in all this mess and commits one atrocity after the other and *intentionally* mass-kills civilians and intentionally targets them, and now even shamelessly hides behind them. There is a simple way to end all this drama: have the Russian attackers moving out of the Ukraine and leaving it alone. Russia attacked the Ukraine and invaded it - its not the other way around. Opposing opinions hardly will be met with much sympathy here. Today is the first time ever the US president did no longer shy away from calling Putin a war criminal, the internal EU court has demanded Russia to stop its unjustified attack on the Ukraine, and international law experts have made it clear that Putin and Gerasimov fulfill the criteria to be brought to the Hague for genocide as defined by the anti-genocide convention of the UN. For my own part, I think their names will be rightfully mentioned in one breath in the future with that of Hitler and Stalin. They do their best to boost their body counts, both friend and foe. Man eaters and soul slaughterers they are. The gallow is still too good for them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-16-22, 12:36 PM	#2328
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,394 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	"Take a step back, take a deep breath, clear your mind" So you expect us to listen to a Guy that is 'in it for the money'?

03-16-22, 03:16 PM	#2338
Otto Harkaman Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 933 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Russian Navy Landing Ships Seen Approaching Ukrainian Coast Near Odessa https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...t-near-odessa/ __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

03-16-22, 03:19 PM	#2339
astvitaliy1982 Lieutenant Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 259 Downloads: 550 Uploads: 0	news I wrote about Disinformation. I just want to explain that you should not believe everything that is shown on TV. Japanese youth also still think that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed by the USSR... Believe only Your eyes and check the information in different sources.

03-16-22, 03:28 PM	#2340
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,908 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	You are right, in a way. Disinformation and maskirovska were Russia's or Putin's forte, but it backfired, and right now the whole world sees what is going on. You can load all kinds of apps internationally and see through Putin's bs everywhere. This does not mean that Russia can not "win" in the end (though i now doubt it), but even if you will never be able to subdue the Ukraine's people, or make Russia a respected member of the world again, in centuries to come. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.