Huge pro-EU rally grips Ukraine

Originally Posted by mapuc

You may not understand what I write now

I support ikalugin, not for what he stand for, but for what he's being called in this thread.

I respect a persons oppinion in cases like this whatever side they are on.

Markus

Light up my world, how is he being called here ? =]

[Oberon]

ITT:

[ikalugin]

Apparently Ukrainian Armed Forces face a shortage of their general issue winter clothing, anyone interested to find out more?

[Oberon]

I couldn't resist....

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Oberon

ITT:

Well since it's about the Ukraine, I guess it's technically more like




which leads to the obligatory

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I couldn't resist....

I was actually very close to using that wording :p, I would try to right up a major post here at some point in future.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Well since it's about the Ukraine, I guess it's technically more like

which leads to the obligatory

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I was actually very close to using that wording :p, I would try to right up a major post here at some point in future.

I'd wait until the thread has calmed down a bit before putting anything too deep in it.

[ikalugin]

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75477,16975408,..._warianty.html
According to this article 20 thousands of Russian troops would be capable of capturing most of the Southern/Eastern Ukraine.

So it would appear, that atleast that ex NATO commander does not take Ukrainian Loyalist troops seriously.

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

20 thousands of Russian troops would be capable of capturing most of the Southern/Eastern Ukraine.

What's that, a reinforced Russian division? I'd say that's not an unreasonable assumption.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

What's that, a reinforced Russian division? I'd say that's not an unreasonable assumption.

Not taking the Counter Terrorism Operation Forces seriously, heh?

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Not taking the Counter Terrorism Operation Forces seriously, heh?

I'm just thinking that a modern Russian armored or mechanized division well equipped and supported, operating in an area sympathetic to them could well take and hold eastern Ukraine against government forces.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

I'm just thinking that a modern Russian armored or mechanized division well equipped and supported, operating in an area sympathetic to them could well take and hold eastern Ukraine against government forces.

The space we are talking about is vast though, probably comparable to a western European country.

That said both separatists and loyalists are increasing the strength of volunteer units by merging battalions into brigades and brigades into corps.

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

The space we are talking about is vast though, probably comparable to a western European country.

Exactly, far too much territory for the only 57k strong Ukrainian army to properly defend I'd think and the separatist follow on forces would likely eliminate any local opposition to the Russian occupation. What would be left to recapture?

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

Exactly, far too much territory for the only 57k strong Ukrainian army to properly defend I'd think and the separatist follow on forces would likely eliminate any local opposition to the Russian occupation. What would be left to recapture?

I would prefer to play it safe though, with classical encirclement using two operational groupings, plus the deep strike grouping (to secure the Deep river crossings) and various airborne and seaborne landings.

I could draw a map with big red arrows if anyone is interested.