US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The media is the enemy of the people...

Trump has a love/hate relationship with the media.

He loves to hate the media. And seeing how they treated him as soon as he declared his candidacy, I can't really blame him.

It was only media attention that made Trump's candidacy viable in the first place.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I'd wager the media tailors their news to gain and retain an audience in order to make a buck. The media contrary to what they may think, is no more our savior than a politician is.

Pretty funny! I have no problem arguing with that statement.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by vienna

tldr

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

The "Dossier" is not credible.

1. It was commissioned as a OPPO hit piece;

2. There are several proven factual errors;

3. None of the claims have been independently verified.

It is just rumors and innuendo.

More importantly, now that Trump is the President of the USA, he does not have to disprove anything. It is up to those who claim he is a Russian mole to prove their point.

Well, that is more or less my position as well.

I would also mention the style the "dossier" being writen and that the media covering it lies about details, for example status of it's alleged author.

[Oberon]

The press is the enemy, the establishment is the enemy, the professors are the enemy.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The press is the enemy, the establishment is the enemy, the professors are the enemy.

Trust noone, not even yourself. Question everything.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Trust noone, not even yourself. Question everything.

Especially hotels, never trust hotels.

[Rockstar]

HITLER, He's everywhere.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

HITLER, He's everywhere.

He could be wearing your boxer shorts right now.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

HITLER, He's everywhere.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The press is the enemy, the establishment is the enemy, the professors are the enemy.

Sounds about right.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I'd wager the media tailors their news to gain and retain an audience in order to make a buck. The media contrary to what they may think, is no more our savior than a politician is.

As soon as the news media decided back in the 80's (Perhaps even before) that news services had to be profitable, the news media started to lose any objectivity.

When there is so much competition for "breaking news" the news media is prone to do pretty much anything in order to get a "scoop".

This may be a case where too much competition is not a good thing.

I wish I knew what the solution is. News has always been biased. Anything that is human run has bias.

One of the problems is the Internets Tubes. It is effortless to copy and spread information across many venues. When that information is accurate it is a good thing. When the information is inaccurate, it is a bad thing.

it is really up to the people to put more effort into understanding the media biases and compensate. I fear that far too many people just blindly accept news that supports their opinion and are done with it.

It may be an unsolvable problem these days.

[ikalugin]

I fear that far too many people just blindly accept news that supports their opinion and are done with it.

From my observations it appears that people do that by selecting their sources rather than by blocking out specific stories. This leads to echo chambers/group think bubles.

The cause for this, in my opinion, is over abundance of data when compared to the ability of a person to process it. So while increasing individual efforts to process information could work, it would cost time (and other resources the person has) so it may not be a viable solution.

What would be a viable solution would be by expanding the ability of individual to process information, be that by some kind of special training, biological or technical modification I do not know. I would guess though that the most viable solution would be to use technical means - AI system to filter data streams for the user and train users in it's usage. However this does lead to technical problems, for example insuring that there is no 3rd party control over such system.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Platapus

As soon as the news media decided back in the 80's (Perhaps even before) that news services had to be profitable, the news media started to lose any objectivity.

When there is so much competition for "breaking news" the news media is prone to do pretty much anything in order to get a "scoop".

This may be a case where too much competition is not a good thing.

I wish I knew what the solution is. News has always been biased. Anything that is human run has bias.

One of the problems is the Internets Tubes. It is effortless to copy and spread information across many venues. When that information is accurate it is a good thing. When the information is inaccurate, it is a bad thing.

it is really up to the people to put more effort into understanding the media biases and compensate. I fear that far too many people just blindly accept news that supports their opinion and are done with it.

It may be an unsolvable problem these days.

http://www.recode.net/2017/2/8/14542...lter-fake-news

People are hungry for the news is the problem, social media to arm chair viewers to news staff's trying to tease people to watch their news station. Real news is making money, fake news is making money, NY Times has been bragging that they are making money off of Trump's comebacks on the news and I just heard that even CNN is making more money than ever before due to the Trump mistakes being real news and shocking to most people.

But Trump continues on his merry way. Old news will be old news as the new shocking news comes out.

Now Trump is back where he started on the campaign trail ... he just might win, uh?

Very entertaining POTUS and he just got started ... now he wants the Mexican Cartel to pay for the wall:https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexico-we...210517396.html

Mexico welcomes US idea to make drug cartels fund wall

But he better hurry before Mexico makes marijuana legal.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Sounds about right.

Indeed. It has been proven countless times before. That's why the commies got rid of them, the Nazis and pretty much every dictatorship on this planet. Now it's your turn to join this illustrious group.