Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

Can Putin withdraw without losing face ?



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[Jimbuna]

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[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Can Putin withdraw without losing face ?



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Advance to the East Ya whanker!

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Can Putin withdraw without losing face ?

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Chesty Puller just said he was attacking in a different direction.

[Jimbuna]

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[Skybird]

And Erdoghan still delays it despite his opposite announcements from - when was it? 2 or 3 months ago?


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Originally Posted by Skybird

And Erdoghan still delays it despite his opposite announcements from - when was it? 2 or 3 months ago?


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In the authoritarian country like Turkey parliament still needs to be consulted sure lol Erdoğan has about same powers as Putin Erdoğan wants more and Sweden is a strong card in his extortion game. It is not so important either when Sweden ever gets attacked Finland will assist, so any war will become a war with NATO. And does anybody see Russia ever can invade by sea nah, Sweden does not border to Russia to attack over land they need to invade an NATO member first.

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Is the end of Putin near? 'The zest is out, Russians don't believe it any more'

At first glance, Russian President Vladimir Putin appears to have things back under control, but according to Mark Galeotti (58), renowned British historian and author, there is much more going on in the Kremlin than we can see. Putin has reached a dead end, the expert argues.

There is, in your view, wear and tear on Putin's personal legitimacy, his ability to throw money at any social problem and absolute control of the Russian security apparatus.
His legitimacy is changing. Of course, he will win the election next spring with a nice result. But the more he allows the results to be inflated, the more it will demotivate the Russians. They no longer believe it. Russian television viewers have long since stopped taking all these propaganda broadcasts seriously. What says much more than election results are polls in which Russians speak out about the future they wish for their children. Then they say they want their children to get a good education, to be able to travel the world, to have a say in what the world will look like. In other words, they describe democracy without calling it democracy.

But the Russian economy is doing so well?
Life is getting harder, Russians are noticing. Formally, medicine is not covered by the sanctions. I have a friend in Moscow who is very anti-Putin. But when he could no longer get medicine for his daughter at the local drug store, he didn't think "Rot Putin!" but yelled at me, What on earth is the West doing? There is still a lot of money in Russia, but more and more money is being diverted to the war industry. In many ways, the textile industry is now making uniforms instead of civilian clothes. And in the security services, we have seen that when Wagner's uprising occurred, several services first waited a day to see what happened.

Is Putin aware of all that?
Not of everything. In Moscow, I once spoke to a just-retired Russian spy who told me, We have learned not to put bad news on the Tsar's table. In other words, if you have to brief Putin, you tell him things that will please him, absolutely not things that go wrong. Whereas it should be about the critical things. But no, it all gets hushed up for the boss. Generally, you see that happening in the whole Russian system. And then you get such a mishap as the invasion of Ukraine.

Books have been written about why Vladimir Putin seems so taunted by the West, and some of them by Galeotti himself. A few moments in history have contributed to this, he says. For example, Sept. 11, 2001, the terrorist attack on the Twin Towers in New York. Vladimir Putin was among the first to condole the Americans and offer his support to deal with the terrorists. That was appreciated. What Putin totally failed to understand was when he had the Chechens in Grozny bombed, the West called him on human rights. What also hurt was a loose comment by the next U.S. president, Barack Obama, that Russia was really nothing more than a "regional power. I was in Moscow in 2014. That was surreal, right after the Sochi Winter Olympics with all the talk of friendship between nations came the annexation of Crimea causing international relations to deteriorate. And then in May came the big parade of The Day of Victory over Nazi Germany, for which many Western guests cancelled. Understandable, because you don't want to see troops parading who participated in the annexation of Crimea. My Moscow neighbours at the time were genuinely indignant. They did not understand: 'Why are you spitting on all those Russian soldiers who died for freedom in World War II.' They did not see this at all as a principled protest against the events in Crimea. That is what we here find difficult to understand. Any more than we understand how it gets there when we cancel Tchaikovsky concerts or take Russian writers out of the library. The problem is that we feed Putin's propaganda when we do that. It is exactly what he can use for his home front narrative.

But by now, as many as 300,000 Russians would have been killed or wounded on the Ukrainian front. Why does the population put up with that, why are there so few protests?
Why did so few Chinese take to the streets after the crackdown on the Tiananmen Square protests? This is an incredibly brutal police state. Of course, people do watch out. But last week there were small protests in Moscow, from people who want to hear from family members mobilized for the war in Ukraine. There are also people doing sabotage attacks on rail links. But say honestly, who wants to die a hero or end up in jail? https://www.demorgen.be/oorlog-in-oe...meer~b82ef092/

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Newsweek: Ukraine is winning artillery war against Russia

Ukraine has destroyed thousands of Russian artillery pieces and rocket launchers in the past three months, thanks to the superior range and precision of NATO-supplied weapons and counter-battery radars, according to Newsweek. The losses of Russia’s artillery in Ukraine have significantly depleted the offensive potential of the Russian army in Ukraine, according to Newsweek.

Intensive artillery fire has dominated the battlefields in Ukraine since day one of the full-scale Russian invasion. Russia’s military doctrine has retained its historic focus on artillery. In the early stages of the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian artillerymen were more numerous and well-supplied than Ukrainian artillerymen.

However, the Russian artillery was suppressed as NATO artillery systems reinforced Ukraine’s arsenal. Soaring Russian equipment losses demonstrate the effectiveness of Ukrainian artillery and drone teams, which are hunting down Russian large-caliber guns and multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS).

From September to November 2023, Ukraine destroyed 2,272 artillery pieces and another 167 MLRS, according to the data of the General Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces. For the same period in 2022, Russia lost 789 artillery systems and 108 MLRS during its invasion of Ukraine, according to Ukraine’s General Staff.



Ivan Stupak, a former officer of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and current advisor to the Ukrainian parliament’s National Security Committee, told Newsweek that Russian artillery losses are indeed a massive blow to the Russian army. “It’s really a big problem for the Russians. It’s not just a cliché. It’s not Ukrainian propaganda. For the last five months or so, Russia has very actively been using old-style artillery. Not late-Soviet era, but mid-50s and mid-60s—D30 and the D20-type of towed artillery, with a maximum range of around 14 to 18 kilometers (9 to 11 miles),” Ivan Stupak said. “It’s a very short distance; it’s nothing compared with the Archer [modern Swedish-made self-propelled howitzer – ed.],” Stupak added, referring to the artillery system donated to Ukraine by Sweden, which has a range of more than 45 kilometers (around 28 miles).

According to Ivan Stupak, Russian artillery stockpiles “are completely depleted. Outdated Soviet-era artillery systems of the Russian army cannot compete with NATO systems that Ukraine has in terms of precision and range, Ivan Stupak noted. Furthermore, Ukraine’s artillerymen effectively use sophisticated Western-supplied counter-battery radars to locate firing Russian guns quickly.

Russian President Putin is putting the economy on a military footing, but ramping up production of artillery spare parts is challenging and partly depends on Western technology, to which Russia currently has limited access. According to Ivan Stupak, the pressure of worn-out barrels is “a particularly big issue” for the Russian military-industrial complex.

At the same time, Ukraine has “a lot of problems” with the supply of artillery ammunition from European countries, Stupak told Newsweek. “We [Ukraine – ed.] were promised about one million artillery shells, but up to now we’ve got only about 300,000,” Stupak said.

While Ukraine runs out of ammunition for its artillery systems, Russia has received a million shells from North Korea and Iran, Newsweek noted.

On the other hand, the Russian army has a hard time dealing with Western-supplied cluster munitions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The uptick in claimed destroyed Russian guns coincided with the arrival of cluster munitions, which spread hundreds of bomblets over a target area rather than relying on a single shell, Newsweek noted.

Apart from standard cluster munitions, Ukraine also uses HIMARS-fired longer-range cluster munition variants of MGM-140 Army Tactical Missile System (also known as the ATACMS missiles).

Dan Rice, a former aide to Ukraine’s Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, told Newsweek that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have “fire superiority” over the Russians and more advanced and effective weapons systems. “The full-scale deployment of cluster artillery shells and rockets has entered a new phase in the war, which is why Putin is suggesting peace talks and calling it a ‘tragedy,” Dan Rice said. According to Dan Rice, Russia is grappling with “deep strikes against large troop concentrations and any Russian artillery or MLRS that fires.” https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/11/...gainst-russia/

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While it's not possible to verify these figures, independent observers point to very substantial Russian losses in both personnel and equipment. Even with 40% of these loses daily, Russia can not produce up to these lose this is going on for weeks this is the mighty Russian counteroffensive probable their last one.

[mapuc]

Well now we have the numbers of how many Russian who has been rendered harmless and how many artillery, AFV and so on has been destroyed

It would be interesting to know how many and how much the Ukrainian have lost ?

I would guess around 1 per three Russian and 1 artillery per 5 Russian artillery.
(just some wild guess)

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