Fixes for Updated Mission Release for ZW´s Members - Page 12

ZeeWolf · 02-22-10, 01:06 PM

Hi Mort and Chucky,

The Red infantry anti tank rifles where very effective. Those weapons caused
a gret deal of concern for German Tankers so much so they developed the Schurzen.
However, I will not include them in the first Kursk release due to time constraints.
Anti-tank mines yes, anti tank rifles no.

Cheers

ZW

PS: But anti tank rifles are coming

morttheslayer · 02-23-10, 06:44 AM

Thanks for reply Zee and Chucky

The AT rifles I refer to were known as PTRD and PTRS (very long barelled).
I have an Osprey publication 'Kursk 1943' which describes the battle in stages very well. The rifles are mentioned as being responsible for destroying many 'German Panzers' but thats about as much really as is mentioned. I haven't read many German accounts that credit this weapon with great 'killing power'. Probably haven't read the right accounts yet!

The most attrition (apart from Ground forces!) came from the air strikes both sides inflicted with Sturmoviks and Henschel, Stuka and FW190s.

Thanks again for replies

ATB Mort

frinik · 02-23-10, 03:05 PM

Mort, Chucky, Zee,

I remember reading the recount of a Soviet tank crewman about the effectiveness of these armour-piercing anti tank rifles and he was saying that Soviet propaganda had greatly exaggerated the effectiveness of these weapons with the intent to spread fear amongst German tank personnel to make them less effective in the field.While it's true that they were able to score hits on lighter tanks like the Panzer II and IIIs and kill some commanders and inflict casualties on tank crews they were not or never were of the same order as the heavy losses the Red tank crews suffered when confronted with panzerfaust or panzerschrecks.These rifles were effectiev against armour no thicker than 30 to 40 mm and then at very short ranges(up to 120 metres) which would have put the marksman at great risk.

Cheers

LcSummers · 02-24-10, 10:25 AM

Hello Kameraden,

after a heavy fight with russian forces my Tiger I tank took a serious hit. I was badly wounded. Mort helped me out and said that a shrapnel "destroyed my knee". I survived that hit and want to let you know that i am back. Sure i cannot go without crutches (have to use them till May) but my orders say it clearly:

i have to go back to my unit and fight again.

I am happy to be back. I lost a little bit the thread.

Now i am eager to go on. Read that ZW has updated his site.

Any news?

Thank you all again for best whishes.
I am back to work and fight again.

Cheers

LC

frinik · 02-24-10, 10:49 AM

Hey Lc good to have you back! I guess no strafKommando for you????I was keeping a Panzer II clean and ready just for your personal use

.

Even on one leg, I am sure you'll be more than a match for the T34sand Kvs.

Welcome back and heal!

Cheers

Frinik

Quote:

Originally Posted by LcSummers

Hello Kameraden,

after a heavy fight with russian forces my Tiger I tank took a serious hit. I was badly wounded. Mort helped me out and said that a shrapnel "destroyed my knee". I survived that hit and want to let you know that i am back. Sure i cannot go without crutches (have to use them till May) but my orders say it clearly:

i have to go back to my unit and fight again.

I am happy to be back. I lost a little bit the thread.

Now i am eager to go on. Read that ZW has updated his site.

Any news?

Thank you all again for best whishes.
I am back to work and fight again.

Cheers

LC

morttheslayer · 02-24-10, 12:00 PM

Frinik Thanks for that, I read some tank crews found holes in their armour after some engagements (penetrations were from ther side) as you say up to 40mm seems to be the limit. The account I read didn't seem to worry the German crews since the projectiles passed cleanly through and didn't spall or riccochet around the hull.

ZW said he's not bothering to reproduce AT rifles for Kursk and I would surely agree; most opposition was from AT guns mobile and dug in T34s and artillary. Don't know if airstrikes will be reproduced well if the game code doesn't support it. Too much of a big job to programme air support probably.

BTW welcome back Lc I hope you're limping better today??

Best Regards Mort

LcSummers · 02-26-10, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frinik

Hey Lc good to have you back! I guess no strafKommando for you????I was keeping a Panzer II clean and ready just for your personal use

.

Even on one leg, I am sure you'll be more than a match for the T34sand Kvs.

Welcome back and heal!

Cheers

Frinik

Hi Frinik,

your right no Strafbatallion for me. No Panzer II. Only a stiff leg. But i am still very dangerous.

I do not need any Luger or P-38, i have my crutches, these are deadly weapons in close combat.

Thanks for wishes, i really appreciate it.
Its weekend, hope to get some news from ZW. Yes a few days and then we´ll see heavy fighting and reports on this thread.

I´ll be back later.

Have a nice day

LC

LcSummers · 02-26-10, 09:32 AM

BTW welcome back Lc I hope you're limping better today??

Best Regards Mort[/QUOTE]

Thanx Mort,

i am happy to be back, i missed this forum. What do you mean with limping, i am jumping

. My unoffical name is Jumping Jack.

See you later

LC

frinik · 02-26-10, 10:55 PM

You are jumping Lc? I thought Lc stood for Lame canon or is it Limping Comrade

....

Welcome back!

LcSummers · 02-27-10, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frinik

You are jumping Lc? I thought Lc stood for Lame canon or is it Limping Comrade

....

Welcome back!

I didn t heard that. LC means

Lieutenant Colonel

Lightning Chief

Lucky Comrade

So please Gefreiter (Private) Frinik, more respect or you become a Panzer I Commander

PS: Do you know eventually the size (in MB or GB) of Kursk? Will the game be splitted up?

Howdy

LC

frinik · 02-27-10, 12:03 PM

Well Lightning Comrade I believe that Kursk will only be the first of several installemnts.The Kursk Offensive was in fact a series of battles and knowing our friend ZW, his perfectionism, his drive and ambition I believe he intends to create several mods after his major release once the game has proved to be stable, bug free and shown the new face of TvsT.Perhaps as many as 4 monthly or bimonthly releases after the major one.He will want to test before he expands and pushes the limits of the game with urban combat, night, fog, rain, winter ect.With the large maps that he has created and the new vehicles that he plans to gradually introduce he will definitely create a new spectacular game out of nthe ashes of the defunct one.

Well speaking of panzer ,I'll glady drive mine in the shadow of the panzer II you'll be driving

Speedy recovery Dear Comrade in Arms

LcSummers · 02-28-10, 10:58 AM

Well speaking of panzer ,I'll glady drive mine in the shadow of the panzer II you'll be driving

Frinik, i think you are not right. As the Panzer I was (later) a recon vehicle you have to show the much heavier Panzer II the way. Dont be afraid, you are well armed with two 7.92 mm MGs.

BTW thank you for the informations on Kursk

LC

morttheslayer · 02-28-10, 12:38 PM

Hello all - Just a short note to point out that the revert to driver position glitch can be "fudged". If you haven't tried this operating in the Cmdrs or Guners position; after vacating the drivers position - dont select Auto Driver. That way you can (I set the engine revs so it won't stall) move the tank fwd and back while looking thro the sight - then get a shot away and back off hull down if on a slight incline.
Maybe the game was configured to allow this - don't know but it helps - anyone else used this method?

Pity you can't man all the positions simultaneously eh!!

Over and Out - Mort

frinik · 03-01-10, 01:00 AM

Lc, I might be tempted during one of my scouting missions attract too much Soviet attention to the fact that our Panzer II commander limps and is therefore an easy picking.

Lc at least with your crutches you'll have an easier time typing the game keys from your bed...

Mort tahnks for the tip although if you wish to change positions quickly in your tank I advise you to read the " Kamasutra Made Easy for Tiger Crews"

Cheers

BTW ZW told me we can expect tank numbers in Kursk to be of company or brigade size(Soviet side I guess).Good news.

Onward to Zeetadelle!

morttheslayer · 03-01-10, 02:52 PM

Hello all.
Thanks Frinik, I think Lc might struggle in the turret with his crutches - mind you he can poke the driver with one to see if he's really dead when his T34 gets "browned over"; as for Karma Sutra for Tankers he'll probably
need an all Russian women crew - then a year in a field hospital

Tanks in Company/Brigade strength eh!! I hope ZW has plenty of ammo Hannomags on tap cos when I'm in my Tiger I get trigger happy and like lots of nice Loooong shots!!

Over and Out - Mort

02-23-10, 06:44 AM	#167
morttheslayer Soundman Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SW England UK Posts: 146 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Russian Anti tank rifles Thanks for reply Zee and Chucky The AT rifles I refer to were known as PTRD and PTRS (very long barelled). I have an Osprey publication 'Kursk 1943' which describes the battle in stages very well. The rifles are mentioned as being responsible for destroying many 'German Panzers' but thats about as much really as is mentioned. I haven't read many German accounts that credit this weapon with great 'killing power'. Probably haven't read the right accounts yet! The most attrition (apart from Ground forces!) came from the air strikes both sides inflicted with Sturmoviks and Henschel, Stuka and FW190s. Thanks again for replies ATB Mort

02-23-10, 03:05 PM	#168
frinik Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	AT rifles Mort, Chucky, Zee, I remember reading the recount of a Soviet tank crewman about the effectiveness of these armour-piercing anti tank rifles and he was saying that Soviet propaganda had greatly exaggerated the effectiveness of these weapons with the intent to spread fear amongst German tank personnel to make them less effective in the field.While it's true that they were able to score hits on lighter tanks like the Panzer II and IIIs and kill some commanders and inflict casualties on tank crews they were not or never were of the same order as the heavy losses the Red tank crews suffered when confronted with panzerfaust or panzerschrecks.These rifles were effectiev against armour no thicker than 30 to 40 mm and then at very short ranges(up to 120 metres) which would have put the marksman at great risk. Cheers

02-24-10, 10:25 AM	#169
LcSummers XO Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 431 Downloads: 341 Uploads: 0	Hey guys i am back, online Hello Kameraden, after a heavy fight with russian forces my Tiger I tank took a serious hit. I was badly wounded. Mort helped me out and said that a shrapnel "destroyed my knee". I survived that hit and want to let you know that i am back. Sure i cannot go without crutches (have to use them till May) but my orders say it clearly: i have to go back to my unit and fight again. I am happy to be back. I lost a little bit the thread. Now i am eager to go on. Read that ZW has updated his site. Any news? Thank you all again for best whishes. I am back to work and fight again. Cheers LC

02-24-10, 12:00 PM	#171
morttheslayer Soundman Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SW England UK Posts: 146 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Anti-tank rifles Frinik Thanks for that, I read some tank crews found holes in their armour after some engagements (penetrations were from ther side) as you say up to 40mm seems to be the limit. The account I read didn't seem to worry the German crews since the projectiles passed cleanly through and didn't spall or riccochet around the hull. ZW said he's not bothering to reproduce AT rifles for Kursk and I would surely agree; most opposition was from AT guns mobile and dug in T34s and artillary. Don't know if airstrikes will be reproduced well if the game code doesn't support it. Too much of a big job to programme air support probably. BTW welcome back Lc I hope you're limping better today?? Best Regards Mort

02-26-10, 09:32 AM	#173
LcSummers XO Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 431 Downloads: 341 Uploads: 0	BTW welcome back Lc I hope you're limping better today?? Best Regards Mort[/QUOTE] Thanx Mort, i am happy to be back, i missed this forum. What do you mean with limping, i am jumping. My unoffical name is Jumping Jack. See you later LC

02-22-10, 01:06 PM	#166
ZeeWolf Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Great NorthWest Posts: 1,724 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 1	Hi Mort and Chucky, The Red infantry anti tank rifles where very effective. Those weapons caused a gret deal of concern for German Tankers so much so they developed the Schurzen. However, I will not include them in the first Kursk release due to time constraints. Anti-tank mines yes, anti tank rifles no. Cheers ZW PS: But anti tank rifles are coming

02-26-10, 10:55 PM	#174
frinik Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Jumping? You are jumping Lc? I thought Lc stood for Lame canon or is it Limping Comrade .... Welcome back!

02-27-10, 12:03 PM	#176
frinik Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	kursk Well Lightning Comrade I believe that Kursk will only be the first of several installemnts.The Kursk Offensive was in fact a series of battles and knowing our friend ZW, his perfectionism, his drive and ambition I believe he intends to create several mods after his major release once the game has proved to be stable, bug free and shown the new face of TvsT.Perhaps as many as 4 monthly or bimonthly releases after the major one.He will want to test before he expands and pushes the limits of the game with urban combat, night, fog, rain, winter ect.With the large maps that he has created and the new vehicles that he plans to gradually introduce he will definitely create a new spectacular game out of nthe ashes of the defunct one. Well speaking of panzer ,I'll glady drive mine in the shadow of the panzer II you'll be driving Speedy recovery Dear Comrade in Arms

02-28-10, 10:58 AM	#177
LcSummers XO Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 431 Downloads: 341 Uploads: 0	Misunderstood Well speaking of panzer ,I'll glady drive mine in the shadow of the panzer II you'll be driving Frinik, i think you are not right. As the Panzer I was (later) a recon vehicle you have to show the much heavier Panzer II the way. Dont be afraid, you are well armed with two 7.92 mm MGs. BTW thank you for the informations on Kursk LC Last edited by LcSummers; 03-03-10 at 08:44 AM.

02-28-10, 12:38 PM	#178
morttheslayer Soundman Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SW England UK Posts: 146 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Kursk and after Hello all - Just a short note to point out that the revert to driver position glitch can be "fudged". If you haven't tried this operating in the Cmdrs or Guners position; after vacating the drivers position - dont select Auto Driver. That way you can (I set the engine revs so it won't stall) move the tank fwd and back while looking thro the sight - then get a shot away and back off hull down if on a slight incline. Maybe the game was configured to allow this - don't know but it helps - anyone else used this method? Pity you can't man all the positions simultaneously eh!! Over and Out - Mort

03-01-10, 01:00 AM	#179
frinik Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Lc and Mort Lc, I might be tempted during one of my scouting missions attract too much Soviet attention to the fact that our Panzer II commander limps and is therefore an easy picking. Lc at least with your crutches you'll have an easier time typing the game keys from your bed... Mort tahnks for the tip although if you wish to change positions quickly in your tank I advise you to read the " Kamasutra Made Easy for Tiger Crews" Cheers BTW ZW told me we can expect tank numbers in Kursk to be of company or brigade size(Soviet side I guess).Good news. Onward to Zeetadelle!

03-01-10, 02:52 PM	#180
morttheslayer Soundman Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: SW England UK Posts: 146 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Kursk Hello all. Thanks Frinik, I think Lc might struggle in the turret with his crutches - mind you he can poke the driver with one to see if he's really dead when his T34 gets "browned over"; as for Karma Sutra for Tankers he'll probably need an all Russian women crew - then a year in a field hospital Tanks in Company/Brigade strength eh!! I hope ZW has plenty of ammo Hannomags on tap cos when I'm in my Tiger I get trigger happy and like lots of nice Loooong shots!! Over and Out - Mort