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Old 07-29-23, 09:18 AM   #151
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Not only French Tanks.....

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Old 07-29-23, 09:31 AM   #152
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^ Old now. (The crews of the AMX usually also got killed, where as the Leopard and Bradley crews usually escape, shaken, but alive. Some months ago there was feedback that the Ukrainians absolutely love the German Marder for its robustness - that "outdated" old Marder, who would have guessed so... ).

And its the HT - beware.

The truth is that tank-on-tank combat is virtually non-existent in this war, and so many of the typical superiority features for which the Wetsern modenr tanks were designed do not apply. Against artillery and missiles and mines all tanks are vulnerable, Western and Eastenr, modern and old ones alike. But if taken out, the survivability chance for the crew is much higher in modern Western tanks.

Truth also is that apparently the rate of Ukrainain losses is climbing again, they are apparently stuck in sequential and singular actions instead of simultaneously conducted combined-arms warfare, critits say. Thsi criticism sticks around since longer tiome now so that I assume there is something true in it.
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Old 07-29-23, 09:43 AM   #153
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Old 07-29-23, 10:37 AM   #154
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First Abrams go to Germany for last steps of refurbishment in August, and to Ukraine in September.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...ember-00108635


Mine-proof tracks would be helpful.
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^ Then I did heard it right when I heard it some month ago.

I say in the future MBT's will change in construction and equipment

It has shown in todays war that they are sitting ducks easy to hit and destroy.

Even though there's a difference between older tanks and newer where the newer can withstand multiple hits and the crew still survive.

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Old 07-29-23, 02:05 PM   #156
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Default RUSSIAN FPV DRONE CATCHES UKROPS PLAYING PHONE GAMES ON THEIR PHONE

RUSSIAN FPV DRONE CATCHES UKROPS PLAYING PHONE GAMES ON THEIR PHONE JUST BEFORE THEIR VEHICLE BLOWS UP

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^ Of course he is playing games, 'cause the Ruskies is running for their life, so he has time to play.

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Not only French Tanks..... [...]
I wonder why you love those brutal russian invaders so much.
But hey, Russia still holds the record for tank turret long throws.
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I wonder why you love those brutal russian invaders so much.
But hey, Russia still holds the record for tank turret long throws.



I wonder about that too.
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We all have a political and social standpoint
Some support Ukraine(A majority of us does)
Some support Russia(Only a few of us does)

You may not like what they write about the war i.e pro-Russian propaganda, well then I suggest you put these people on the ignore list.

Just a thought

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You may not like what they write about the war i.e pro-Russian propaganda, well then I suggest you put these people on the ignore list.
Nah.. just expose them publicly
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Nah.. just expose them publicly

One thing I can say about these two members is that they are brave. Yes going against the majority who support Ukraine is bravely. (the only thing I do is respect their standpoint, but that's it)
Ok some may say otherwise(That they aren't exactly clever)

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^ Then I did heard it right when I heard it some month ago.

I say in the future MBT's will change in construction and equipment

It has shown in todays war that they are sitting ducks easy to hit and destroy.

Even though there's a difference between older tanks and newer where the newer can withstand multiple hits and the crew still survive.

Markus
Or new ways of countering drones get developed. Jamming. EMP. Jamming in parts already now affects Ukrainian drone activity and blocks it, compared ot the totloa freedom they enjoyed in the early months of the war. No other army runs so much jamming stuff and equipment and has it distributed in the field like the Russians.

Of course the other side will then learn how to take out jammers and EMP weapon carriers.

The race is an old one, and it will never end.

Personally I see the overwhelming dependency on electronics, GPS and satellites as one big archilles heel of Western and especially the American army. Its comvfortable and allows a lot - if it works, but its also a hard to tolerate level of tehzcnological dependency, and I dont trust it that blindly.
That also is reflected by the Ukrianian demand to get the German Taurus curise mssile, it is quite similiar to Storm Shadow, with one big difference. Storm Shadow only has GPS navigation, and if that link to the satellite gets jammed - which the Russians repeatedly have succeeded to do with Storm Shadows -, then that missiles goes more or less astray. The Taurus has a second navigation system basing on inertia navigation - it still can strike with precision even if the GPS link gets jammed. Thats a big difference.


Putin can trust his old SPD buddies, however. Scholz so far is strictly forbidding to deliver Taurus. He does not want to ruin chances for later relations, and is too cowardly to take responsibility, instead once again hides behind the big and wide American shoulders. Blasé AH. You can't even measure that much smallness of character anymore, it simply falls below the minimum value on the scale.
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