US Politics Thread 2021-24

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by August

Well that actually would be pretty smart move. Fetterman is turning out not to be the idiot we initially was thought to be.

Fetterman might have had to pay taxes for the first time in his life, and it instantly converted him to a conservative.

[August]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Fetterman might have had to pay taxes for the first time in his life, and it instantly converted him to a conservative.

He's a big supporter of Israel for sure. I also like him calling out that Menendez creep. That traitor is on more countries payrolls than even the Big Guy.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by August

He's a big supporter of Israel for sure. I also like him calling out that Menendez creep. That traitor is on more countries payrolls than even the Big Guy.

I don’t know about the Menendez issue. I just find it weird that shortly after the Head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee started investigating why our country’s top three oilfield services companies continued doing business in Russia after its invasion of Ukraine. He was suddenly accused of a bribery scandal, and he and the investigation quietly went away. You can’t fight the swamp, if you try you get railroaded with one accusation after another & court battles attempting to destroy you. Then the swamp offers up some clown who can’t string a sentence together and won’t get in the way.

I don’t know maybe I’m just a conspiracy theorist at heart

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I don’t know about the Menendez issue. I just find it weird that shortly after the Head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee started investigating why our country’s top three oilfield services companies continued doing business in Russia after its invasion of Ukraine. He was suddenly accused of a bribery scandal, and he and the investigation went away. You can’t fight the swamp, if you try you get railroaded with one accusation after another & court battles attempting to destroy you. Then the swamp offers up some clown who can’t string a sentence together and won’t get in the way.

I don’t know maybe I’m just a conspiracy theorist at heart

Do you really think Oil Field Services Companies have that kind of juice to manufacture such a scandal?

[ET2SN]

Just as reminder, things aren't going so great for China and Russia.

We should learn how Propaganda and Dis-Information work so we can make better decisions.

Those folks are always looking for Useful Idiots.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by August

Do you really think Oil Field Services Companies have that kind of juice to manufacture such a scandal?

Just a reminder, if some nobody with connections can start a fire with a dossier of made up fantasy and get all the useful idiots and lemmings of the world to fall in-line behind it. I suppose oils companies with connections could too.

However I know correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation nor am I defending the guy or convinced of anything, just saying things like that cross my mind. Ya got to admit though it looks awfully familiar. He’s fighting the accusations, but if current events are any judge I’m sure the swamp will just wear him down financially with endless accusations as tries to defend himself in court too

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Just a reminder, if some nobody with connections can start a fire with a dossier of made up fantasy and get all the useful idiots and lemmings of the world to fall in-line behind it. I suppose oils companies with connections could too.

I assume you are talking about Steele, well he wasn't exactly a nobody and his story was "investigated with extreme prejudice" by a very willing FBI abetted by a mainstream press that has clearly taken a political side. I hardly think the Oil Service Industry has that same kind of pull, even against a mere congress critter.

However I know correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation nor am I defending the guy or convinced of anything, just saying things like that cross my mind. Ya got to admit though it looks awfully familiar. He’s fighting the accusations, but if current events are any judge I’m sure the swamp will just wear him down financially with endless accusations as tries to defend himself in court too

Sounds to me like you are convinced of quite a bit! Do you think that George Santos character was a swamp victim too? Sometimes crooked pols will suddenly find some noble or important cause to champion as a way to deflect or minimize getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by August

I assume you are talking about Steele, well he wasn't exactly a nobody and his story was "investigated with extreme prejudice" by a very willing FBI abetted by a mainstream press that has clearly taken a political side. I hardly think the Oil Service Industry has that same kind of pull, even against a mere congress critter.

Yep that’s the one, the dossier was pure fantasy used by the swamp to smear a political opponent and from there it has snowballed into what we see today. It just keeps going and going and going and going.

Sounds to me like you are convinced of quite a bit!

No, I mean it when I say I’m not convinced of anything concerning Menendez. But as someone on the outside looking in knowing the multi-millions of dollars in campaign contributions made by the industry to politicians. It simply crossed my conspiratorial devious little mind when I see him lose his position and the investigation stops and goes away. I could be wrong it’s been a very long time since I last read anything about it.

Do you think that George Santos character was a swamp victim too? Sometimes crooked pols will suddenly find some noble or important cause to champion as a way to deflect or minimize getting caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Nope Santos own very public behavior has me convinced he dug his own grave. What had me stumped was how he became a candidate in the first place.

[Jimbuna]

Senior Democrat says party will save House speaker from ousting – on one condition

Asenior Democratic member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee has said his party will help prevent the ouster of House Speaker Mike Johnson if the Louisiana Republican allows a defence aid package including humanitarian aid for Gaza to receive an up-or-down vote on the House floor.

Brad Sherman, a California Representative who serves as the second highest-ranking Democrat on the Foreign Affairs panel, told The Independent Mr Johnson could receive Democratic assistance on a vote to remove him if he ensures that the humanitarian aid provisions remain in the bill he has promised to put to a vote this week.

“We’ve got to pass it and it’s got to include the humanitarian aid,” he said. “I think if he does that, and then there’s a motion to vacate the speakership because he did the right thing, even if he did it in four separate notebooks on unlimited colored papers, the Democrats will not allow it [the motion to vacate] to pass.”
Earlier in the day, Mr Johnson refused to heed calls for his resignation from a far-right colleague after he agreed to allow the House to consider legislation to authorise further military aid to Ukraine along with defence assistance for Israel and Taiwan.

The Louisiana Republican was urged to step down by Kentucky Representative Thomas Massie during a meeting of the House GOP Conference on Tuesday after Mr Johnson said he was putting forth legislation to fund Israeli and Ukrainian defence needs over the objection of members such as Georgia’s Marjorie Taylor Greene, who weeks ago filed a motion to remove him as Speaker after he allowed the House to vote on funding the federal government for the rest of the current fiscal year.

Mr Massie, a MIT-educated engineer who routinely opposes all government spending bills, said he would co-sponsor Ms Greene’s measure, which would declare Mr Johnson’s office “vacant”. It is the same procedural tactic a group of Republicans used last year to oust former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy after he allowed a vote to keep the government funded.

But at a press conference on Tuesday, he dismissed Mr Massie’s demand outright.

“It is, in my view, an absurd notion that someone would bring a vacate motion when we are simply here trying to do our jobs,” he said. “I am not concerned about this, I am going to do my job, and I think that’s what the American people expect of us”.

Mr Sherman’s comment is the first direct sign from a senior Democrat that members of his party are prepared to cross over and vote against Ms Greene’s motion to vacate the speakership under any circumstances. A handful of other Democrats, though none connnected to leadership, have made similar indications in recent days.

But that potential support could quickly evaporate if Mr Johnson fails to bring the entirety of the supplemental foreign aid package to the floor, or allows poison pill amendments to drag the Ukraine funding portion into oblivion. House Democrats voted in lockstep in favour of the motion to oust former Speaker Kevin McCarthy last fall, declining to save the flagging GOP leader who had burned his credibility with many in the chamber.

Mr Johnson has yet to last one full year in the job, similar to his predecessor. This week, the House is almost entirely focused on foreign policy and is pursuing a series of bills targeting Iran following the drone and missile attack Tehran directed at Israel over the weekend. A final vote for passage of the Ukraine and Israel funding bills is set for Friday.

Before that, the speaker faces one key test: the passage of a rule vote governing debate and procedure for the passage of the entirety of the supplemental funding package. Mr Johnson is likely to see some form of conservative rebellion during that vote this week, as he did last week when Republicans revolted against the renewal of America’s foreign operative surveillance program.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...a4781aca&ei=21

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

I think if there is any last second candidate swapping it'll be for California Governor Newsome. But what about Kamala? Does she stay on as VPOTUS candidate or do they get someone who is not such a blithering idiot?

Newsome will be of no help. People are flocking out of CA due to his utter craziness and sometimes dictatorship like approach to running a state. Kamala is as useful as a trapdoor in a canoe. She will stay as VPOTUS and left on the sideline where she has the best fit.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Newsome will be of no help. People are flocking out of CA due to his utter craziness and sometimes dictatorship like approach to running a state. Kamala is as useful as a trapdoor in a canoe. She will stay as VPOTUS and left on the sideline where she has the best fit.

Yeah I don't think they would actually dare to change horses midstream at this point anyways.

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

What had me stumped was how he became a candidate in the first place.

Apparently he checked all the right political and demographic boxes and the Long Island Repubes didn't dig into his background closely enough to discover the fraud.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah I don't think they would actually dare to change horses midstream at this point anyways.

This particular horse is a woman and black. First black woman VP ousted. That will do well in the papers. Not quite the picture Dems like to portray themselves.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by August

Apparently he checked all the right political and demographic boxes and the Long Island Repubes didn't dig into his background closely enough to discover the fraud.

Neither did the media whose job I thought was to keep the public informed.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Newsome will be of no help. People are flocking out of CA due to his utter craziness and sometimes dictatorship like approach to running a state. Kamala is as useful as a trapdoor in a canoe. She will stay as VPOTUS and left on the sideline where she has the best fit.

Not too long ago Newsome and his minions were bragging having a $97.5 billion surplus to expand health care, social equity and educational programs.

Last I looked just a few laters he buried the state in 73 billion dollars of debt.

If he were elected it would be just more of the same.