[REL] Dark Waters

[propbeanie]

Yeah, but you wouldn't want a new boat either, if that's what the game is insistent upon doing... but would it just transfer you doing that and start giving you the new assignments, or would it transfer you and give you one last Black Sea assignment anyway? That'd be just as bad as what it does now... I suppose just quitting the career and ignoring the new assignment is probably easier. Just Start a new career...

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Yeah, but you wouldn't want a new boat either, if that's what the game is insistent upon doing... but would it just transfer you doing that and start giving you the new assignments, or would it transfer you and give you one last Black Sea assignment anyway? That'd be just as bad as what it does now... I suppose just quitting the career and ignoring the new assignment is probably easier. Just Start a new career...

it did offer me a new boat, which i turned down.
it gave me the default new mission which is a North Sea mission...with the IIB.
however, it did the back-in-time date-thing (assigning me a departure date of August 25 on August 26) and it left me without a home base.
it was my goal to be retired after August 25 but i guess that didn't pan out as expected.

so to recap...on the day we arrived back at home base after a mission:
my Flotilla expires and with it both my home port and my boat expire.
the current Roster end date for a Black Sea IIB is 19451231.
i wonder what the game would do if i changed that to 19440825, matching the Flotilla, Constanza, and IIB?

i think i may try that scenario.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

it did offer me a new boat, which i turned down.
it gave me the default new mission which is a North Sea mission...with the IIB.
however, it did the back-in-time date-thing (assigning me a departure date of August 25 on August 26) and it left me without a home base.
it was my goal to be retired after August 25 but i guess that didn't pan out as expected.

so to recap...on the day we arrived back at home base after a mission:
my Flotilla expires and with it both my home port and my boat expire.
the current Roster end date for a Black Sea IIB is 19451231.
i wonder what the game would do if i changed that to 19440825, matching the Flotilla, Constanza, and IIB?

i think i may try that scenario.

my idea did not work.
made the Roster change while in port.
shoved off on a repeat of what should have been the last mission in the Black Sea on August 20 or 21st.
sunk some ships, took some damage, returned to Constanza on August 25/26.
was offered the same upgrade and refused it.
our boat stayed in Constanza on August 26 despite the FLot, the Base, and the Boat being expired on August 25.
we were assigned the same North Sea mission as we were previously.
we shoved off from Constanza and a week or so later we were just west of Gilbraltar (Sept 1?) and had no home base assigned.
according to the latest Save file, we are still assigned to Flot 30 in Constanza.
i think it's broke, Hawkeye.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Yeah, but you wouldn't want a new boat either, if that's what the game is insistent upon doing... but would it just transfer you doing that and start giving you the new assignments, or would it transfer you and give you one last Black Sea assignment anyway? That'd be just as bad as what it does now... I suppose just quitting the career and ignoring the new assignment is probably easier. Just Start a new career...

one more DAQ, how do you end a captain's career with a specialty boat in the Pacific?

[propbeanie]

... probably the same way it ends the Type IIB in the Black Sea...

I haven't tried the Cachalot class yet, but it does run out of missions and home port at Pearl 1943-02-14... I bet you go into suspended animation with it also... sigh - shtinking irritating frustrating game... lol

I would almost guarantee you two slices of hot, buttered toast that the same holds true for S-Boats as well as the Narwhal / Nautilus... Emergency surgery might be needed to save the patient!!!

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

... probably the same way it ends the Type IIB in the Black Sea...

I haven't tried the Cachalot class yet, but it does run out of missions and home port at Pearl 1943-02-14... I bet you go into suspended animation with it also... sigh - shtinking irritating frustrating game... lol

I would almost guarantee you two slices of hot, buttered toast that the same holds true for S-Boats as well as the Narwhal / Nautilus... Emergency surgery might be needed to save the patient!!!

i think that we have to use the IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo option and assign the Black Sea-IIB to another Flotilla that is still in business in September 1944 and then use that Flot to upgrade the boat.

one problem is keeping enough bases open between the Black Sea and Germany to enable a little IIB to make it the whole, long way.

i'll look for a Flot that HAD IIB's so that then the Black Sea IIB shows up she will be upgraded to a 7 or a 9 or whatever.
or
somehow, arrange for a message to be sent to the user that says you need to voluntarily end your career in August 1944.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

i think that we have to use the IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo option and assign the Black Sea-IIB to another Flotilla that is still in business in September 1944 and then use that Flot to upgrade the boat.

one problem is keeping enough bases open between the Black Sea and Germany to enable a little IIB to make it the whole, long way.

i'll look for a Flot that HAD IIB's so that then the Black Sea IIB shows up she will be upgraded to a 7 or a 9 or whatever.
or
somehow, arrange for a message to be sent to the user that says you need to voluntarily end your career in August 1944.

That's what I was showing here:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

So they (devs) are insistent that you are going to take a new (impossible) submarine, and do the coastal waters Inshore Campaign, eh? I wonder where some of those Black Sea submariners ended up? I mean, besides the Eastern Front and POW camps? Did any skippers or other officers make it back to submarines? Perhaps you could have your boat transfer to... Wilhelmshaven maybe, since they're sending you to the Channel?... No. won't work... Trondheim?? But the Type IIB then would be dated last to August 23 (or maybe 24th??) with an "IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= 13thFlot_Trondheim"...?? You would have to add a Type IIB there though, such as

ID= F25IIB
NameDisplayable= Type IIB U-boat
AvailabilityInterval= 1944-08-20, 1944-09-01 (or earlier, like 1944-08-26)
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= IIB
UnitTypeCommonality= 1
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= NULL

The dates are kind of a kicker, until you run through it a few tries and find out what happens with what. You might want to add a temporary CareerStart to the bottom of the list to do an early August start, to help ease the pain of testing... Anyway, it seems the game doesn't want you to quit playing just then - unless you die, but all of the bases are being closed in France, so you can't transfer to them reliably... but you want a transfer to a base such that you "upgrade" naturally to a higher class boat, and that Trondheim we added has a VIIC, IXC-40, and IXD-2 that go kind of deep into the war, plus you are close enough to a XXI base if you get that anyway... but apparently, the game is going to continue from Constanza... and you have already been through the XXI saga, trying to get by Constantinople and what happens then...

Very strange though.

P.S.: You would also need one valid mission assignment for the IIB at Trondheim in the North Sea...

I don't think that will work though, because the game will assign the player one last mission at the old flotilla, remember? So you are in the Black Sea, and you are transferred by the game to Trondheim. Your first mission assignment when you go on patrol from Trondheim is in the Black Sea... of course though, you can ignore that assignment and just go North Sea convoy hunting, but the game is more than a bit strange in several regards about this.

I thought more about the Cachalot and Narwhal, and they're fine, because unlike the Black Sea campaign, their base of operations isn't ending, just the boat, and since there are other boats at the base, you 'upgrade' boats automatically (in theory) when the old one expires.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

That's what I was showing here:

I don't think that will work though, because the game will assign the player one last mission at the old flotilla, remember? So you are in the Black Sea, and you are transferred by the game to Trondheim. Your first mission assignment when you go on patrol from Trondheim is in the Black Sea...

ok, i understand that, however the next mission after the Flot, the Base, and the Boat all expire is a Thames/North Sea mission, which, last time i checked, is NOT in the Black Sea. there is no transfer of any kind.

Originally Posted by propbeanie

I thought more about the Cachalot and Narwhal, and they're fine, because unlike the Black Sea campaign, their base of operations isn't ending, just the boat, and since there are other boats at the base, you 'upgrade' boats automatically (in theory) when the old one expires.

so...the game is broken in that we cannot force a Flot/Base/Boat expiration and end a career.
then why can't we continue with the breakage and when the IIB/BS expires, convert her to a Type VIID, while still in the Black Sea, assign her the same Thames mission or some such, and transfer her to Bergen, where the VIID lives?

[propbeanie]

That might work, young feller... but you still might get a Black Sea mission... only one way to find out! lol