UK Politics Thread part II

[Jimbuna]

Blackford and Raab on Scottish independence referendum bid

Deputy PM Dominic Raab said it was "not the right time for another referendum" with the challenges faced by "one United Kingdom".

SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford said the UK government did not "have the right to block Scottish democracy" after Nicola Sturgeon announced plans for a second referendum to take place in October 2023.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-61980425

[Aktungbby]

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...01&postcount=1 Congrats Jimbuna: on the rapidity, succinctness and seamlessness with which U have executed Neal's request! U have obviously learned from the best! As for Brit politics: the nation is in peril:

[MGR1]

Moonlight's last post in the old thread:

"No one said that you could bring some sanity and sound reasoning into this thread MGR1, I'm just exercising my right as a thick Brit to "extract the urine" out of that other thick Brit you've got up in Scotland.

Sadly there's no humour in Scottish politics. The ribald, satirical traditions of the English press vis-a-vis politics never developed up here, even after 300 years of political union. I get the impression that the Scottish papers are somewhat equivocal in their scrutiny of the SNP's domestic record just in case independence does come about. In short, they're covering their backsides.

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...01&postcount=1 Congrats Jimbuna: on the rapidity, succinctness and seamlessness with which U have executed Neal's request! U have obviously learned from the best! As for Brit politics: the nation is in peril:

Of course....self taught

[mapuc]

A question from an outsider

Can Scotland hold this requested referendum even without British acknowledge ?

Meaning Sturgis say I don't care What Boris & Co says in London we have this referendum anyway

Markus

[Jimbuna]

^ That will be answered soon by the UK Supreme Court.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

^ That will be answered soon by the UK Supreme Court.

Now this was an interesting answer.

As mentioned many month before- I have the feeling that Scotland have high hopes on EU.

Markus

[MGR1]

Sturgeon's going for a multi-pronged approach with this:

1: She's sent a letter to the UK Gov. asking for a Section 30 Order.

2: She's referred the question as whether or not Holyrood can hold such a referendum on it's own accord to the UK Supreme Court.

3: If the referendum is denied, either by the UK Gov and/or the Supreme Court saying Holyrood can't do so within it's remit, then come the next UK General Election the SNP will fight that election on the single issue of independence, thus turning it into a referendum.

The indyref2 questions facing the Supreme Court

Election win should trigger Scottish independence, says Sturgeon

All very convoluted, but all we can do is wait-and-see. As for the EU angle, I'm not so sure. Some of the Nat diehards may want to see some pressure exerted, but the best thing would be for the EU to adopt strict neutrality.

Mike.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...01&postcount=1 Congrats Jimbuna: on the rapidity, succinctness and seamlessness with which U have executed Neal's request! U have obviously learned from the best! As for Brit politics: the nation is in peril:

Sometimes it's the other way around, I learned from him!

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by mapuc

A question from an outsider

Can Scotland hold this requested referendum even without British acknowledge ?

Meaning Sturgis say I don't care What Boris & Co says in London we have this referendum anyway

Markus

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

^ That will be answered soon by the UK Supreme Court.

'tiz a sure bet; The President of the Court, the Lord Reed of Allermuir PC FRSE, educated at University of Edinburgh Balliol College, will not be sitting on the Stone of Scone fer this one...

[Jimbuna]

Scottish independence: How will indyref2 compare to 2014?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61987556

[Jimbuna]

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by MGR1

If the referendum is denied, either by the UK Gov and/or the Supreme Court saying Holyrood can't do so within it's remit, then come the next UK General Election the SNP will fight that election on the single issue of independence, thus turning it into a referendum.

All very convoluted, but all we can do is wait-and-see. As for the EU angle, I'm not so sure. Some of the Nat diehards may want to see some pressure exerted, but the best thing would be for the EU to adopt strict neutrality.Mike.

If you Scots become a net payer the EU will welcome you with open arms, you might have to lose a few home comforts to become one of them though, free universities and prescriptions could go, taxes might increase and VAT rises might go up, all well and good for the better off but what about the less well off, or are there no poor people up in Scotland.

The EU adopting a strict neutrality stance, just like they did in the Brexit vote, you Scots won't know what's bloody hit you when the EU starts interfering in your 2nd referendum attempt. Your country is going to be the punchbag between the EU and Westminster and that little fish called Sturgeon will be punch drunk in no time, I hope she's ready for that.

[Moonlight]

Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford whinge as Treasury launches multi-million pound raid on Scottish and Welsh government budgets to help pay for £1bn in extra support for Ukraine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...p-Ukraine.html

If I was Nicola or Mark I wouldn't just be whingeing I'd be spitting bloody feathers, why are the Treasury taking much needed cash from already financially overstretched governments purses when we have a foreign aid budget of 14 billion pound a year they can dip into?.

It's looking all well and good for this governments status overseas but it isn't any bleeding good for the UK citizens who'll have to bear the brunt of any service cuts that will have to be made.
Bozo and his treasury Minister "Thicktwat Sunak" need to get out of their London bubble and see what 12 years of Tory government have accomplished around the country, villages looking like bleeding bomb sites which are totally avoided by their own councillors who couldn't give a **** either, yeah Bozo, go visit some of them for a change instead of going to your 10 course freebie dinners you bent bastard.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

...or are there no poor people up in Scotland

Of course there is, the problem is when they do vote, they vote for the SNP just as unthinkingly and slavishly as they did for Labour.

As you've pointed out, it's them who'll suffer most from the economic upheaval of independence, but most of them are too thick, blinkered or Anglophobic to notice.

As, may be said, for those poor parts of England that voted for Brexit. Except they aren't phobic about their own sub-nationality. They might be about Britishness though....

Mike.