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10-28-21, 06:37 PM | #46 |
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Nice work gap. Very few ships are painted all grey. But something is interesting : it seems that buff superstructures are part of the camouflage system. Indeed, look at the tanker British Genius : original funnel colors are not buff. Maybe it was because grey paint was in short supply, and they used buff paint to do the rest... Another fun fact : the hull has a camo pattern.
Else, the Ellerman's Hall Line seems to have decided to repaint all funnels in orange... |
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Here are a few pictures for visual reference: I think similar markings are also visible on the hull of Kors Holm in the drawings of the 1941 Convoy that you have studied. Yes, those orange funnels really puzzled me. Orange is definitely not what you would call a "dull" colour, but maybe they are just bluff with some colored bands, and they look orange because of the poor resolution |
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10-29-21, 08:44 AM | #49 |
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Why wearing neutrality marks while sailing into an allied convoy ?
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10-29-21, 08:48 AM | #50 |
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Possibly because you do not intend to stay in the convoy for entire cruise and don't want to have to paint them back on when you separate from it. Plus, there's a small chance that given two equally juicy targets in the periscope, U-Boat will select one that belongs to the enemy nation.
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Probably Vecko has already done something similar for TWoS. |
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10-29-21, 11:30 AM | #52 |
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That's exactly what "Free XXX" nations are used for.
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10-29-21, 09:53 PM | #53 |
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Yes indeed, I know that. I am the one who reworked DesSides.cfg for Open Horizons II back in 2011, when Zedi was still in charge of the mod. With little changes the file is now part of TWoS; I think my exaplanatory notes are still in place btw.
When I created the "Free" nations I had exactly those "ambiguous" diplomatic stances in mind. Nonetheless, more recently, I came to realize that the said nations were poorly implemented in game, or not used at all. I will give you an example. The FreeAmerican nation was created for allowing the implementation of Neutrality Patrols, but I think they were never actually added to the campaign. IIRC, the last time I checked the FreeAmerican roster it was empty. Several months ago I discussed the topic with Vecko, and I think that the shortcomings were amended at least in part. I say "at least in part" because the last time I offered to cooperate with him on those aspects of the OHII/TWoS campaign he gently refused my proposal, and then he came up with his own changes, so now I am unsure on which features were implemented according to my original idea and which not. I hope I made myself clearer now |
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10-30-21, 05:52 AM | #55 |
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Yes, sorry for my Captain Obvious moment. Of all people, you know best what these nations were created for
As for things being not / not fully implemented, the more I look into campaign files the more I see how much it could be still improved regarding historical accuracy. A pity there's not nearly enough modders interested in SH5 to do it all. |
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10-31-21, 04:31 PM | #58 |
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Why not set the USA in allied side sooner, as you did first (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...&postcount=398), it's a good idea, and no need to add additional (virtual) free country :
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[SideEntry 5] Country=American Side=1 StartDate=19410410 ; First naval engagement between an U-boat and the destroyer USS Niblack; USA formally joined the conflict several months later, on 19411208 EndDate=19450901 Last edited by Mister_M; 10-31-21 at 04:52 PM. |
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Perhaps the admiralty hoped that at a distance enemy vessels would be unsure of whether or not a ship spotted in daylight was neutral or not - as opposed to full camo, which would often be visible anyway and would give away a ship as probably British. This would probably be the best choice without painting on fake neutral hull flags/funnel colors, which would have caused protest from neutral nations.... Interesting photos of colored sketches below, showing how ship camouflage changed from WWI - they are of the standard "War" class merchantman "War Drake" in 1918 and the long bridge deck merchant "Clearpool". It seems they decided in WW2 that the complicated dazzle camouflage was not very effective. In peacetime "Clearpool" would have had green funnel with a checkered red emblem, grey-green or bright green hull, huge "billboard" lettering on the hull, and brown+white deckhouses (like "Danby" from the same company):
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