About merchant ship wartime colours

[kapuhy]

Originally Posted by gap

Probably Vecko has already done something similar for TWoS.

That's exactly what "Free XXX" nations are used for.

[gap]

Originally Posted by kapuhy

That's exactly what "Free XXX" nations are used for.

Yes indeed, I know that. I am the one who reworked DesSides.cfg for Open Horizons II back in 2011, when Zedi was still in charge of the mod. With little changes the file is now part of TWoS; I think my exaplanatory notes are still in place btw.

When I created the "Free" nations I had exactly those "ambiguous" diplomatic stances in mind. Nonetheless, more recently, I came to realize that the said nations were poorly implemented in game, or not used at all. I will give you an example. The FreeAmerican nation was created for allowing the implementation of Neutrality Patrols, but I think they were never actually added to the campaign. IIRC, the last time I checked the FreeAmerican roster it was empty.

Several months ago I discussed the topic with Vecko, and I think that the shortcomings were amended at least in part. I say "at least in part" because the last time I offered to cooperate with him on those aspects of the OHII/TWoS campaign he gently refused my proposal, and then he came up with his own changes, so now I am unsure on which features were implemented according to my original idea and which not.

I hope I made myself clearer now

[Mister_M]

Originally Posted by gap

I will give you an example. The FreeAmerican nation was created for allowing the implementation of Neutrality Patrols, but I think they were never actually added to the campaign. IIRC, the last time I checked the FreeAmerican roster it was empty.

Ooooh, ok ! So, despite USA being neutral until Dec 1941, some american escort ships or airplanes could attack us ? (but maybe without bombs and depth charges... )

[kapuhy]

Originally Posted by gap

I hope I made myself clearer now

Yes, sorry for my Captain Obvious moment. Of all people, you know best what these nations were created for

As for things being not / not fully implemented, the more I look into campaign files the more I see how much it could be still improved regarding historical accuracy. A pity there's not nearly enough modders interested in SH5 to do it all.

[gap]

Originally Posted by kapuhy

Yes, sorry for my Captain Obvious moment. Of all people, you know best what these nations were created for

No need to say sorry kapuhy!
I hope my previous post didn't sound polemic because that was not my intention

Originally Posted by kapuhy

As for things being not / not fully implemented, the more I look into campaign files the more I see how much it could be still improved regarding historical accuracy. A pity there's not nearly enough modders interested in SH5 to do it all.

If Vecko or anyone else is still interested in further improving the TWoS campaign with a focus on historical accuracy, I am on it too

Originally Posted by Mister_M

Ooooh, ok ! So, despite USA being neutral until Dec 1941, some american escort ships or airplanes could attack us ? (but maybe without bombs and depth charges... )

I am preparing a long post on this subject that you might finde interesting

[U-190]

Originally Posted by gap

No need to say sorry kapuhy!
I hope my previous post didn't sound polemic because that was not my intention



If Vecko or anyone else is still interested in further improving the TWoS campaign with a focus on historical accuracy, I am on it too



I am preparing a long post on this subject that you might finde interesting

[Mister_M]

Why not set the USA in allied side sooner, as you did first (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...&postcount=398), it's a good idea, and no need to add additional (virtual) free country :

[SideEntry 5]
Country=American
Side=1
StartDate=19410410	; First naval engagement between an U-boat and the destroyer USS Niblack; USA formally joined the conflict several months later, on 19411208
EndDate=19450901