US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[MaDef]

give it a rest, it's over. If those emails were that important all Schiff had to do was subpoena them. He chose not to.

As far as I can gather, the democrats were Hoisted with their own petard.

[Rockstar]

Witnesses? Overwhelming case? Its the Schiff Show!

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The mafia has rules and loyalties it follows. So have the Republicans.

Hayek: "In government, the scum raises to the top." Proven and illustrated by the llustration of a hearing not allowing witnesses. That was not a rule of the impeachment trial - that was a decision made by the accomplices of the accused. Who happend to form the jury. How stupid a mechanism.

In the politics of the US today, there is nothing left anymore that forces one to discriminate them from other political ratholes and lousy regimes on this planet. Scum is scum and corruption is corruption, no matter what passport it holds. Anti-Americanism has finally been turned from a left-leanign folly into a civil duty for every reaosnable, civilised man. That is Trumps' heritage and gift for America. It will outlive him by long, long time. This America must be feared, yes - but nothing more than this.

Somehow I have the feeling that if you had your own "Trump" who was leading Germany out of being the European Unions' sugar daddy and the Middle Easts' foster parents for terrorists you'd be hoisting him on your shoulders instead of burning him at the stake. I think you're jealous because well, Merkel.

[Catfish]

^ The Nazis are strong again here.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The mafia has rules and loyalties it follows. So have the Republicans.

This is a good explanation as to why the impeachment failed. Blaming compliant Republicans for it misses the very much larger issue. The real reason is the bumbling, incompetent manner in which it was prosecuted.

After the Senate rejected witnesses and effectively ended the impeachment trial on Friday, the media ignored the primary reason for the defeat, which is the insistence of House leaders to impeach Trump by Christmas. Critics of the president simply do not want to hear that the blind rush to impeach guaranteed not only an acquittal but an easy case for acquittal. It is after all important for some members of the media to maintain that fools dwell only in Republican red states.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...th-impeachment

This Skybird is much closer to the truth than your mafia analogy.

This very series of events was expressly laid out before the vote, and House Democrats made a decision to choose certain failure over completing their impeachment case. There was no reason to expect Senate Republicans to assist House managers in making their case, particularly in calling witnesses not subpoenaed by the House. Democrats had opposed any witnesses in the impeachment trial of President Clinton and voted as a bloc for a summary acquittal. There was no reason to expect Republicans to adopt an entirely different approach.

The left wing media's constant crowing about the brilliant strategies and elloquent talents of Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler are now a joke. Continuing to blame Republican Senators for the Democrat leadership's failure is a refusal to face reality.

The hard truth is that House Democrats lost this case the minute they rushed an impeachment vote, and they knew it. With the approaching Iowa caucuses, they chose a failed impeachment rather than taking a few more months to work on a more complete case against Trump, a case more difficult to summarily dismiss. That is the hard truth.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ The Nazis are strong again here.

Those anti-Merkel demonstrators in that picture are nazis? But I don't see a swastika or heil salute among them. What gives?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

Those anti-Merkel demonstrators in that picture are nazis? But I don't see a swastika or heil salute among them. What gives?

If you look at the blue Ballons in the front of the picture you will can see three words

Alternative für Deutschland (AfD)

They are a right wing party (I can't say how far right they are)

Some Germans see them as nazis.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If you look at the blue Ballons in the front of the picture you will can see three words

Alternative für Deutschland (AfD)

They are a right wing party (I can't say how far right they are)

Some Germans see them as nazis.

Markus

I see, kinda like how some American Democrats see Republicans I suspect.

[ikalugin]

https://static.wixstatic.com/ugd/3ba...bfe33b6a3f.pdf

The report about how US think tanks active in foreighn policy are funded.



Spoiler - they recieve millions from foreighn states (not Russia).

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If you look at the blue Balloons in the front of the picture you will can see three words

Alternative für Deutschland (AfD)

They are a right wing party (I can't say how far right they are)

Some Germans see them as nazis.

Markus

Thanks for explaining, for a minute there I thought you were calling me a Nazi.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by August

Those anti-Merkel demonstrators in that picture are nazis? But I don't see a swastika or heil salute among them. What gives?

The german intelligence service thinks it is. I also heard Hocke once, "before his radicalisation" lol. Found him already unbearable then, using nazi jargon in his diatribes. But it has become a fashion lately.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/w...ny-hoecke.html

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

The german intelligence service thinks it is. I also heard Hocke once, "before his radicalisation" lol. Found him already unbearable then, using nazi jargon in his diatribes. But it has become a fashion lately.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/w...ny-hoecke.html

Well this is wrong thread to get into depth on this but from the link you posted this party was not created as nazis or by nazis and there is a big schism within it with only a faction being seen as cozying up to actual nazis. Of course it's the NYT so who knows how accurate that is.

[Rockstar]

You can find nazis everywhere.

http://www.eu-facts.org/en/backgroun...e_lecture.html

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

You can find nazis everywhere.

http://www.eu-facts.org/en/backgroun...e_lecture.html

You shall know them by their tattoos

Breaking News Hillary Clinton won the Iowa caucuses last year 31% and Bernie Sanders was 2nd at 14%

Proves they were wrong last year and they will be wrong again this year

[Buddahaid]

I think I'll have to vote for Mickey Mouse again. I don't like any of the Democratic contenders and I refuse to vote for Trump like last time. He'll most likely win a second term but at least I'll have the satisfaction of not voting for him.