[WIP] RAPIDI ED INVISILI-A ITALIAN CAMPAIGN

[ArditoCorsaro]

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RAPIDI ED INVISIBILI, PARTONO I SOMMERGIBILI
(Fast and Invisibles, run the submarines)
In Italy, the submarines have a "honour place" in the heart of every sailor, "rapidi ed invisibili, partono i sommergibili", fast and invisibles run the submarines say a famous song, that after the war became the "hymn of italian submarines", a national "myth", born in Italy possibly because the italian royal submarine fleet, was been the 3° major sub fleet before the war for number of ship (like 115 to 10 june 1940, and something like 50 others build during the war, without take subs build for other nations, like brasil, sweden, spain, etc), and because of all they, the majority never come back, giving to the memory the remember of men that rest in dark deep, that in spite of everything,(fortunes of war, and subs "moderns" but unsuitable for an "convoy war", being build for a "ambush war" against the "neighborhood", (like also russian do, having do many naval blueprints with italians) have do until the end their duty dying in hard and dangerous tasks. To they, to their sacrifice, we want devote this mod. (and possibly also to my grandpa, that his 18 birthday was 80 meters undersea bombed by 5 destroyers in the "Torricelli" engine room....red sea - june 1940).
Rapidi ed Invisibili, Fast and invisibles run the submarines like the song tell, then "stories of submarines".


The mod want beto 360° degree, from the atlantic base of bordeaux (betasom) to the mediterranean, to the red sea campaign (40-41), until far east missions (in monsun gruppe there was italian subs, and this will be our first move), even doing sure some missions in spanish civil war and maybe some "spy" misson in "ethiopian war of 35-36".
Our first step will be do an italian sub playable for operation monsun vanilla, then develop all the rest by this.
We search a 3d modeler for this, i'm trying to learn how use blender 3d, etc etc but we need ofc someone that know how do.
We have just a 3d model, but need some adjustment.
All the help will be welcome of course.
Then, ending, "Alfa Tau" commanders! (Alfa Tau=in italian navy messages, mean the sinking of a enemy ship, and was used also like a wish, for commanders before go in mission).

Thanks to Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt for suggests, and for the help with informations, and thanks also to Cybermat47 for have accepted to help ourselfs.

By: Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt

Possible playable submarines: PISANI class/MAMELI class/BALILLA class/submarine FIERAMOSCA/BRAGADIN class/BANDIERA class/SETTEMBRINI class/600 serie ARGONAUTA class/ARGO class/submarine MICCA/ARCHIMEDE class/600 serie SIRENA class/GLAUCO class/600 serie PERLA class/600 serie ADUA class/BRIN class/FOCA class/MARCONI class/MARCELLO class/600 serie PLATINO class/LUIZZI class/AMMIRAGLI class/BAJAMONTI class/TRITONE class/CB class/H class.

Possible playable surfice ships: RAMB class auxiliary cruiser/MAS 500 torpedo boat/Soldati class destroyer.

Start Dates:
1940:
june 10th 1940-actions in all mediterranean sea and red sea.
august 30th 1940-actions in west and central mediterranean sea and atlantic ocean.
october 28th 1940-action in east mediterranean.
november 13th 1940- actions in west and east mediterranean sea and red sea.
1941:
january 1st 1941-action in all mediterranean sea and altantic ocean.
february 10th 1941-actions in red sea and west mediterranean sea
march 27th 1941-actions in central and east mediterranean sea and atlantic ocean.
april 16th 1941-acions in central mediterranean sea.
may 15th 1941- action in west mediterranean sea.
july 20th 1941-actions in atlantic ocean.
december 19th 1941-actions in central and east mediterranean sea.
1942:
january 1st 1942-actions in atlantic ocan.
march 22th 1942-actions in cenral mediterranean sea.
june 16th 1942-action in west and east mediterranean
august 11th 1942-actions in central mediterranean sea and atlantic ocean.
november 30th 1942-action in atlantic ocean.
1943:
january 15th 1943-action in west mediterranean sea.
march 2nd 1943-action in central-east mediterranean sea.
june 10th 1943-action in central and east mediterranean sea and atlantic ocean.
august 17th 1943-action in cntral and west mediterranean sea.
other missions:
New Constructions october 2nd 1941
New Construction october 10th 1942
submarine training missions october 1940
submarine training missions january 1941
submarine training missions february 1942
submarine training missions january 1943

No offends, but did italian submarines actually ever sink an enemy vessel intentionally

[Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt]

These are all informations about the campaign.
Campaign operation:
MEDITERRANEAN SEA (from june 10th 1940 to sept. 8th 1943
WEST MEDITERRANEAN SEA
I GRUPSOM (subs assigned per class: Marcello/ Glauco/ 600 serie Perla/ Argo,600 serie Adua/ Micca/ Foca/ H.
home port: La Spezia
II GRUPSOM (subs assigned per class: MARCELLO/MARCONI/TRITONE (from april 1943)
home port: Neaples
III GRUPSOM (subs assigned per class: Pisani (until jan. 1942)/ 600 serie Adua.
home port: Messina
VII GRUPSOM (subs assigned per class: 600 serie Adua/600 serie Argonauta/ 600 serie Perla/600 serie Platino (from nov. 1941)/ Tritone (from oct 1942).
home port: Cagliari
VIII GRUPSOM (sub assigned per class: Bandiera (until april 1942)/ 600 serie Platino (from nov. 1941).
home port: Trapani (this group operated in central mediterranean sea too).
CENTRAL MEDITERRANEAN SEA
X GRUPSOM (sub assigned per class: Mameli/Bragadin.
home port: Augusta.
IV GRUPSOM (sub assigned per class: Luizzi, Settembrini, 600 serie Argonauta, 600 serie Adua/600 serie Perla/600 serie Sirena/ Foca/Bragadin/ Ammiragli/ squalo (from march 1941) /Tritone (from june 1943).
Home port: Taranto (this group operated in west med. too)
VI GRUPSOM (sub assigned per class: 600 serie Argonauta/600 serie Sirena.
home port: Tobruk (this group stopped its activity on late september 1942); this group operated in east mediterranean too.
EAST MEDITERRANEAN SEA
IX GRUPSOM (sub assigned per class: Brin/Balilla (until feb. 1942)/ 600 serie Sirena/ squalo (from march 1941).
home port: Brindisi
V GRUPSOM ( sub assigned per class:Squalo (until march 1941)/ Archimede, 600 serie Perla/ 600 serie Adua/ Foca/ 600 serie Sirena.
home port: Leros (dodecanese)
ATLANTIC OCEAN (from august 30th 1940 to sept. 8th 1943
XI GRUPSOM (sub assigned per class: Calvi/ Marconi/ Luizzi/Marcello/Argo/ Glauco/Brin/(from may 1941: Archimede/600 serie Perla/Ammiragli (from oct 1942).
home port: bordeaux (BETASOM)
RED SEA (from june 10th 1940 to march 1st 1941
GRUPSOM A.O.I.(sub assigned per class: Brin/Archimede/ 600 serie Perla.
home port: Massawa
SCHOOL GOUPS
XII SCHOOL_GROUP(from april 30th 1941 to sept. 1943)
(sub assigned per class: Bajamonti (ex yugoslavian Smeli) (from 1941), Pisani (from 1942), Balilla and Bandiera ( from april 1942)
home port: Pola
NEW CONSTRUCTIONS
Training missions for the submarines built during the war (600 serie Platino (1941) and Tritone (1942)
home port: La Spezia

[ArditoCorsaro]

Originally Posted by jhapprich

No offends, but did italian submarines actually ever sink an enemy vessel intentionally

Ofc watch the atlantic base of betasom (italian subs have operated with germans in atlantic, also doenitz have say good things about they), watch the submarines: Tazzoli and Da Vinci , that was the best sub of axis after the u boot for tonnage sink (100000-120000), or also others (some italian commander was also awarded by germans with iron cross, knight cross etc)
the problem was that italian sub was build for a war against france for example (ambush war out ports, like russian or british sometimes) not for a convoy war. Later with some adjustment (a new german style conn tower, and other) was a little better for they operating.
The usually zone was south atlantic, where they obtain many successes, not like u boot ofc (u boot have tactics and other optimized for convoy war) but the two best sub of axis for tonnage sunk, after the germans, was italians.
If you search on google this submarines (Tazzoli and Da Vinci) and their commanders, can see.
(Carlo Fecia di Cossato of Tazzoli, Gazzana of Da Vinci, and some other like i sad have also knight cross, iron cross, etc etc and just doenitz have greet italian submarines sometime, saying that the problem was the sub, not the men).
Also the commander of Atlantis, when have supply the submarine perla, was good impressed, and also when was sink, it's go on the tazzoli, and when arrived in france, have congratulated with fecia di cossato.
Watch the submarines of Betasom, in atlantic base, watch the missions of submarine Scirè (commanded by junio valerio borghese later commander of X flotilla mas of italian social republic, maybe the only italian troop that have complete autonomy by german HQ after the armistice of 43, that have transported the midgets sub in gibiltar and alexandria bases sinking the queen elizabeth and valiant battleships, where the same british admiral have awarded the durand de la penne (one of the men of midget sub, that the british have copied in their "chariots", churcill on that mission say: "today 6 italians with economical weapons have changed the balance of war in the mediterranean." or the submarine ascianghi that when the war was lost, continue to enter in enemy ports like bougie (algeria) sinking ships...and other missions like this. watch this. or if you know some u boot survivor, ask to him.).
In total italian subs sink 700 000 tonnage of ships. few in front of u boot. but i have just explained the technical problems of subs.
More tonnage of russian, that have much more problems of italians (restricted areas full of mines, few ships, technical problems, etc) having sink more than 300 000 tonnage in all war.
Also in spanish civil war have sink some ships (britain and urss call italian sub in spain: pirates, because they was neutral but help franco, like germans too).
The Enrico Toti have sink also a british sub, the triad in a mortal fight, in night. usually was british (have information by ultra) to sink axis sub outside the port. but the toti have met casually in night the triad, and after a duel have sink.
The german submariners begin was skeptical on italian submarines, but later (especially when we begin to train with german in gotenhafen) have appreciated much they. (also doenitz like i sad have do this, more than one time).
http://www.comandosupremo.com/leonar...submarine.html Watch this for example.
But this it's of italian font.
Then read also this: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=8823
A last thing: one of the last axis submarine to surrender was the italian sub torelli, that was fighting under japanese flag with italian japanese crew, and in august september of 45 have take down the last b 25 of war, and later was go to surrender.
Also the submarine of my grandpa (Torricelli, in east african colonies) have sink the destroyer : Karthoum. i think every british here can confirm this. (hit to a torpedo depot with deck guns, kartoum it's exploted later).
And the british commander have also congratulated with my grandpa commander after capturing it (without sub, autosink by the crew after being hit).

aha. thank you for that information, didn`t know that, even after reading bagnasco.
best regards

[ArditoCorsaro]

The problem was that much modern class of italian sub, the 600 serie (sub classes: argonauta, adua, sirena, acciaio, perla, etc) was coastal-medium range sub, of medium size, not good for atlantic. and in mediterranean, was not like atlantic. was a trap. with few target, etc etc but also there, something was sink. not too. but some yes. (some british cruiser, and other).
The ocean going sub, the most succesful at least, was of 35-36 building, but other was much modern (like the marcello class of 38, and the brin class of 38-39, and also other of 40-41 like the ammiragli class).

[ArditoCorsaro]

of nothing captain if you can read also "rapidi ed invisibili storie di sommergibili" if you find a translated version. tell 12 stories of subs, from end of '800 until ww2, also an austrian sub in adriatic. there are much informations and stories on italian sub.

[Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt]

Possible playable submarines: PISANI class/MAMELI class/BALILLA class/BRAGADIN class/BANDIERA class/SETTEMBRINI class/600 serie ARGONAUTA class/ARGO class/submarine MICCA/ARCHIMEDE class/600 serie SIRENA class/GLAUCO class/600 serie PERLA class/600 serie ADUA class/BRIN class/FOCA class/MARCONI class/MARCELLO class/600 serie PLATINO class/LUIZZI class/AMMIRAGLI class/BAJAMONTI class/TRITONE class/CB class/H class.

Possible playable surfice ships: RAMB class auxiliary cruiser/MAS 500 torpedo boat/MS class torpedo boat (ex german and jugoslavian schnellboats) .

Start Dates:
1940:
june 10th 1940-actions in all mediterranean sea and red sea.
august 30th 1940-actions in west and central mediterranean sea and atlantic ocean.
october 28th 1940-action in east mediterranean.
november 13th 1940- actions in west and east mediterranean sea and red sea.
1941:
january 1st 1941-action in east mediterranean sea and altantic ocean.
february 10th 1941-actions in red sea and west mediterranean sea
march 27th 1941-actions in central and east mediterranean sea and atlantic ocean.
april 16th 1941-acions in central mediterranean sea.
may 15th 1941- action in west mediterranean sea.
july 20th 1941-actions in atlantic ocean and black sea.
december 19th 1941-actions in central and east mediterranean sea.
1942:
january 1st 1942-actions in atlantic ocan.
march 22th 1942-actions in cenral mediterranean sea.
june 16th 1942-action in west and east mediterranean and black sea.
august 11th 1942-actions in central mediterranean sea, atlantic ocean and black sea.
november 30th 1942-action in atlantic ocean.
1943:
january 15th 1943-action in west mediterranean sea.
march 2nd 1943-action in central-east mediterranean sea.
june 10th 1943-action in central and east mediterranean sea and atlantic ocean.
august 17th 1943-action in cntral and west mediterranean sea and black sea.
other missions:
New Constructions october 2nd 1941
New Construction october 10th 1942
submarine training missions october 1940
submarine training missions january 1941
submarine training missions february 1942
submarine training missions january 1943

[Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt]

BLACK SEA (june 5th 1941- august 30th 1943)
GRUPPO SOMM MAR NERO: submarines per class: CB class
IV sqadriglia MAS: MAS 500/
home port: Yalta or Costanta.
WEST MED.
I squadriglia MAS: MAS type 500/MS torpedo boat (ex yugoslavian topedo boat or ex Schnellboot type S-100) from april 1941
hime port: La Spezia
CENTRAL and EAST MED
III squadriglia MAS: MAS type 500/ MS torpedo boat ( (ex yugoslavian topedo boat or ex Schnellboot type S-100) from april 1941
home port: Taranto
Gruppo F.T.A: auxiliary cruiser RAMB III
home base: Bengazi/Taranto
RED SEA (june 10th 1940- february 22th 1941)
Gruppo F.T.A. A.O.I.: auxiliari cruiser RAMB II
INDIAN OCEAN (february 22th 1941-sepember 8th 1943
home port: Kobe (from march 21th 1941 to december 1st 1941)/Batavia (december 1st 1941-september 8th 1943)
submarine warfare after september 8th 1943
INDIAN OCEAN (september 10th 1943-march 20th 1945)
UIT SOMGRUP (submarines per class: Marconi/Marcello.
home port: Bordeaux (sept. 10th 1943)/ Singapore ( dec. 1943)

[cloadmcally]

So, so,soo exited for this mod, i would love to see some screenshots in the near future

Forza ragazzi! Sottomarini italiani per sempre!

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by cloadmcally

So, so,soo exited for this mod, i would love to see some screenshots in the near future

If Ardito is okay with it, I can post some pictures of how the captain's office is coming along

[Admiral Halsey]

So currently we have an Italian campaign being worked on, a new megamod for the fleet boats and lastly IABL's Wolves of the Kaiser mod for WW1 subs. If all three get released around the same time i'm going to have a very busy couple of weekends after that.

so this has not become rapidly invisible afterall? great news!!!! still waiting for that submodel of yours, ardito!

[ArditoCorsaro]

Entschuldigung! Aber seit ich habe nicht antworten von letze meldung, ich wusste nicht wenn du wolltest noch hilfe uns oder nein. XD Ja ich sprache bisschen deutsche, ich habe lebe ein jahr in Bochum. Entschuldigung fur mein nicht gutt deutsch.
About progress, we have do something about intro and captain room, and now uniforms and menu are in build. soon i will post some screenshot.
Let me talk with Kapitain Oliver for the models. Und entschuldigung fur die
missverstandnis.

[ArditoCorsaro]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

If Ardito is okay with it, I can post some pictures of how the captain's office is coming along

Ofc! Go. I have mounted time ago it for test. Good Work. Very good