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02-04-15, 01:22 AM | #1 |
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Can I get my Soviet pr23 ships? Pretty please?
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02-04-15, 04:48 PM | #2 |
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A call to Ubisoft guys
If only we could interest another developer into making a quality game.Maybe a call to all members for a write in to Microsoft.Could'nt hurt.
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02-04-15, 04:49 PM | #3 |
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02-18-15, 06:57 AM | #4 | |
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Microsoft Flight, with its new "world" only simulating a small area of the globe, and "pay as you play" business model that so many developers are so fond of these days they only managed to alienate literally about 99% of the fan base and ultimately killed the series that had been Microsoft's bread and butter simulator for about a quarter of a century... what makes you think they would be interested in jumping into the submarine market? and if they were interested, why would we want their hands on it? EDIT: the thing that bothers me about what few upcoming naval combat sims that do exist is that they are geared toward portable gaming (ipad, iphone, android) and this cell phone game feel carries over when they move the game to a PC format. what you end up with feels less like a simulation... or less like an in depth game... and more like something you would waste time playing while waiting for your flight to board at the airport. Take pacific fleet for example. turn based strategy game at its finest. but it isnt even in the same ball park as the silent hunter series. Move. Aim. Shoot. your turn. compared to the silent hunter series where solutions must be plotted, crews managed, hunting grounds carefully selected... Pacific Fleet, while a fun game within its genre, by comparison is just tic tac toe with ships.
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02-20-15, 08:28 PM | #5 |
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My 2 cents: Ubisoft put their backs into SH3 and SH4, and were on the way with SH5 before their resources were exhausted before completion. Say what you will about them, they gave us the best WWII submarine simulations, really the only WWII subsims, since 1997.
Making a high fidelity simulation that will please just a fraction of the high demands and expectations of the customers is resource intensive, and that means expensive. When the sales don't add up to a profit, well, there's no business in losing money.
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02-20-15, 11:57 PM | #6 | |
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but your quote about business is on the money (no pun intended) The next big submarine Sim that will meet the demands of users wish lists... likely will be crowd funded
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02-21-15, 03:33 AM | #7 |
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I think most of us understand these game are not going to be perfect, and we can't have everything on our wish lists. |
02-21-15, 05:26 AM | #8 |
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the bottom line is though, and i think this is a point neal was trying to make:
Simulations in general, and more specifically submarine simulations are a really niche market. With scores of people diving into massively multiplayer games, first person shooters and real time strategy games... its easy to develop success with a good product in those markets. So when you put a quality product into the FPS market like the call of duty franchise, lots of people buy it, and your budget for call of duty 2 gets bigger, call of duty 2 sells like hot cakes you get a massive budget for the 3rd edition... before you know it, the latest entry to the series has a budget, advertising campaign and all the hype and anticipation of a summer blockbuster hollywood action film. Submarine sims, even a REALLY good one just does not generate the same kind of return. so while the hottest FPS game in development gets all the support it needs, the developer generally puts the dev team for Silent Hunter 6 in the back storage closet and says "Deliver something playable before xxx deadline" and thats as good as it will get. Subsimmers are a different breed. and im not telling you guys anything yuo dont know. my stepson was watching me play SH3 and he is a hard core gamer. XBOX, Playstation and PC... he plays various types of games from first person shooters to sports games to real time strategy. he watched me for a good 30 minutes with my little circle racing across the map screen. finally i spotted a convoy, lined up in ambush position, plotted out an attack plot on the map screen, entered the parameters into the TDC, took my final readings though the scope, tweaked a couple of TDC entries and let a spread of 2 torpedoes go. The fish found their mark with a spectacular series of explosions following. the ship split in half and slipped beneath the waves. the escorts gave chase and the pinging, depth charging, cat and mouse game ensued. he watched in silence through the whole ordeal. I escaped the escorts and returned to base course, back to the map screen and the little circle heading across its blue expanse. "This game is like watching paint dry... i really just dont know how you play it." then it was off to Madden 15, with farcry 4 for dessert. see... for every 1 of us patient, calculative types... there are 20 of him paying top dollar for constant, white knuckle, palm sweating action. and if you want to know what games will get priority all you have to do is follow the money. Its like the young man who quit his low paying job and struck off down the road.. "Where are you going?" people asked him "I'm going where the money is." he said well, ubisoft... has gone where the money is and its nothing personal against subsimmers, its just good business. I mean lets be perfectly honest, if suddenly 95% of the worlds population ditched burgers and fries in favor of burritos and tacos as a fast food choice... McDonalds would jump through their own asses to bring you the McTaco and the McBurrito
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02-21-15, 11:48 AM | #9 |
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I think SH4 was being planned before SH3 was released, hence the complaints people made about the voices in English not having German accents. They knew what they wanted to do next right from the start.
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02-21-15, 12:11 PM | #10 | |
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And it is speaking volume when next to nobody compares the newer SHs favorably to the older ones. |
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03-02-15, 04:26 PM | #11 |
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do a search in this site and have a look at W.O.T.A.
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04-10-15, 12:10 AM | #12 |
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oops your wrong they can take your life.... However they can,t take your houner
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02-22-15, 06:10 PM | #13 |
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Ubisoft is having way more success focusing on its AAA franchises like Assasins Creed and Far Cry. Why would they bother making sequels to a franchise of a dead genre? How many hardcore subsimmers are out there to justify millions of dollars of development costs? They're out of the simulation market for good.
They'll put the IP to sleep for sure. The only salvation is if an indie developer decides to develop its own submarine simulator. |
02-23-15, 12:50 AM | #14 |
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02-23-15, 01:06 AM | #15 |
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Others will tell you there hasnt been a good subsim since SH4... others will say everything since Aces of the Deep was garbage and a waste of time
the problem with statements like..... .... is that they are opinion and conjecture but when it comes to Ubisoft and the like... they have sales data that we dont simplified as the below example might be, i think its a good one GOLDENRIVET'S SODA STAND SALES ANALYSIS BEVERAGE EARNINGS UNITS SHIPPED Vanilla Soda................... $26.50................... 106 (sold out) Cherry Soda................... $18.25................... 73 Grape Soda.................... $13.75................... 55 Root Beer.......................$12.25................. .. 49 U-Boat Special Cocktail....... $3.50 ................ 14 based on the above information we have decided that it makes better sense to cease production of the U-Boat special cocktail and take the personnel responsible for making it and transfer them to making vanilla and cherry soda this is exactly whats happening to subsims at places like UBI and i think calling on them for help is not our best shot
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