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Old 09-08-07, 04:37 AM   #1
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In conjunction with the Cold war campaign I am in the process of designing, I have been carrying out tests to see which Soviet boats are competitive in a head-to-head (deep water) clash with NATO - in this case a Sturgeon.

Result - only the Akula and Sierra II stand an earthly. In all other cases the US boat detects first, and therefore destroys the opposition without a problem.
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Now try the test with a competant akula captain, in real life the akula can detect things far beyond that of the 688i and thier sonars can out range the seawolf, however the big draw back is the display screens.

If they had US display screens and akula sonars they would be laughing literally ! thats the biggest let down in the entire fleet.
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Now try the test with a competant akula captain, in real life the akula can detect things far beyond that of the 688i and thier sonars can out range the seawolf, however the big draw back is the display screens.

If they had US display screens and akula sonars they would be laughing literally ! thats the biggest let down in the entire fleet.
I'm not so sure your boasting is warranted. Your statements regarding Akula vs. 688I/Seawolf is not a settled matter. In fact, I'm not convinced that the Russians have ever produced anything of the quality/sensitivity as BQQ-10 suite, BQQ-5D with WAA, and TB series towed arrays. Plus the current condition of the Russian Navy is not very impressive to say the least.
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IMHO the quality of sonars and type of displays are of course very important factors in underwater warfare but not the only ones. It's just like the usual question about "who would win in a suggested fight - an adept of karate or an adept of kendo?" And the only correct one is - "the one who is the most trained would win!" Because even subs of 671 project in Soviet times have tracked far more sophisticated NATO vessels and subs and remained undetected due to their crew skills - and they didn't have sonars that 971's do have, not to say about Vepr and Gepard. Of course today's status of Russian Navy is uncomparable with Soviet Navy but the people who still are in service - they are real enthusiasts (I mean officers of course). And today's fleet funding allows them to keep shape more than it was in damn 90-s.

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Everything said higher was to that I am still much interested in Alfa-class campaign!

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I still intend to do a campaign for the Alpha, it is just that the Cold War campaign I originally wrote for it is simply too difficult, so I have had to redesign it for the Sierra II. When I do the Alpha I shall have to design missions within its capabilities.
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I'm not so sure your boasting is warranted. Your statements regarding Akula vs. 688I/Seawolf is not a settled matter. In fact, I'm not convinced that the Russians have ever produced anything of the quality/sensitivity as BQQ-10 suite, BQQ-5D with WAA, and TB series towed arrays. Plus the current condition of the Russian Navy is not very impressive to say the least.

Currently the russian system is more sensative and yes given the right displays they could detect at greater ranges.

The americans have the edge on quality your display screens are so much easioer to uses and work with than that of the russian screens.

Have you ever been on board a proper akula and seen the screens there? they dont have a history like the US do they dont have water fall display and they are not very good display systems.

Its only now really the new sonars that are being used in the new boats that they can have all that information, but again its limited to the quality of the screen its not that good.

In terms of quality the americans do win that.
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