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Skybird · 11-03-19, 04:26 PM

All top-DNS level functions are de facto under US control, and certain key servers, master servers or as some call it: the mount Olymp of the internet worldwide, are located in the US as well. NSA, DARPA, the govrnrment and its in parts secret legislation regarding the internet, obviously have no interest in handing this control over to others, to "the world". Clinton said he wanted to share control over it by I think 2000 (or he said thjat in 2000, I am not certain), but that did not happen until today.

For Russia, for China, and less obvious: for the EU, also Asia and all the rest of the globe, this total US control is a potential big scale issue. Its as if the world were a dark cave that now is flooded with light so that all can see: and all six existing light switches being in hands of the Americans, and they do not share it and defend contorl over them with all their fangs and claws.

Most cloud servers (most of them running under Linux, btw) also stand in the US, and thus fall under Us legislation. If the Us law authorizes US offices to scan and spy on cloud-stored data, every US company must comply, unconditionally. Other countries' for exampel data protection laws play no role here. Thats why I say its dangeorus to use cloud services for anything that goes beyond electronic holiday postcards and harmless chatter.

I already said that indeed Russia's steps now can be used to switch off the internet's information and data communciaiton, it already seems to have been done during riots in and near Mscow repeatedly. So it is beign done in China. Still, even if both countries would be perfect liberal democracies, the American dominance in contorlling the web is a big problem for everybody except the US. Lats but not least, mind you: the uS can do like Russia and China as well. Just that the US can literally shut down all the global WWW, like it can switch of the GPS system as well regionally or globally. Except were Russian and Chinese navigation systems can jump in - or their natiopnal intranmets, so to speak, can replace global WWW functionality.

So,, although it can be abused and certainly has been and will be abused, China and Russia nevertheless have legitimate interests to cope with the American options which to their own nations simply are a danger, a threat, and make them vulnerable to US blackmailing or cyber attacks. The Europeans should learn this lesson as well. Fast. Little Cesar at the latest marks the end of the old post-WW2 order of the West. The US is a rival now, no longer an ally. The "West" of the past seven decades - no longer exists.

Taking turns in owning the keys to the Olympic servers, also is no solution, because then Olympic control over the WWW would end in the hands of right these regimes, and worse actors in the third world. And then these players would refuse to hand control over again at the end of their term. Lets face it, the Americans would act stupid if they voluntarily hand over this ace card of theirs. What stupoid would do that...?

There is no solution to this mess, it is a natural conflict and a dilemma. The Europeans should adapt to the facts that define the situation: and come to terms with erecting their own internet infrastructure for servers and cloud computing - and keep the Americans locked out (which they would not like and would start to play dirty over, no doubt, its a topic of utmost geostrategic interest and economic core interests: its maximum essential). Still the Europeans should accept this conflict, and go for this. China already does. And now Russia does. Just Europe still sits in the starting block, and talks, and talks, and talks. And already is trailing behind by twenty years or so. Say goodby to international ambitions to be seen as one of the big players, Europe: just endless moral lecturing does not lead you anywhere. Who wants to be seen as a strong player at the table for the grand jeu, needs to be strong all by himself. And cyberspace, cloud computing, and the web, are three of the most important aspects of the grand jeu.

But the Europeans play CO2 Gambit in a bit to checkmate themselves...!

11-03-19, 04:26 PM	#17
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,500 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	All top-DNS level functions are de facto under US control, and certain key servers, master servers or as some call it: the mount Olymp of the internet worldwide, are located in the US as well. NSA, DARPA, the govrnrment and its in parts secret legislation regarding the internet, obviously have no interest in handing this control over to others, to "the world". Clinton said he wanted to share control over it by I think 2000 (or he said thjat in 2000, I am not certain), but that did not happen until today. For Russia, for China, and less obvious: for the EU, also Asia and all the rest of the globe, this total US control is a potential big scale issue. Its as if the world were a dark cave that now is flooded with light so that all can see: and all six existing light switches being in hands of the Americans, and they do not share it and defend contorl over them with all their fangs and claws. Most cloud servers (most of them running under Linux, btw) also stand in the US, and thus fall under Us legislation. If the Us law authorizes US offices to scan and spy on cloud-stored data, every US company must comply, unconditionally. Other countries' for exampel data protection laws play no role here. Thats why I say its dangeorus to use cloud services for anything that goes beyond electronic holiday postcards and harmless chatter. I already said that indeed Russia's steps now can be used to switch off the internet's information and data communciaiton, it already seems to have been done during riots in and near Mscow repeatedly. So it is beign done in China. Still, even if both countries would be perfect liberal democracies, the American dominance in contorlling the web is a big problem for everybody except the US. Lats but not least, mind you: the uS can do like Russia and China as well. Just that the US can literally shut down all the global WWW, like it can switch of the GPS system as well regionally or globally. Except were Russian and Chinese navigation systems can jump in - or their natiopnal intranmets, so to speak, can replace global WWW functionality. So,, although it can be abused and certainly has been and will be abused, China and Russia nevertheless have legitimate interests to cope with the American options which to their own nations simply are a danger, a threat, and make them vulnerable to US blackmailing or cyber attacks. The Europeans should learn this lesson as well. Fast. Little Cesar at the latest marks the end of the old post-WW2 order of the West. The US is a rival now, no longer an ally. The "West" of the past seven decades - no longer exists. Taking turns in owning the keys to the Olympic servers, also is no solution, because then Olympic control over the WWW would end in the hands of right these regimes, and worse actors in the third world. And then these players would refuse to hand control over again at the end of their term. Lets face it, the Americans would act stupid if they voluntarily hand over this ace card of theirs. What stupoid would do that...? There is no solution to this mess, it is a natural conflict and a dilemma. The Europeans should adapt to the facts that define the situation: and come to terms with erecting their own internet infrastructure for servers and cloud computing - and keep the Americans locked out (which they would not like and would start to play dirty over, no doubt, its a topic of utmost geostrategic interest and economic core interests: its maximum essential). Still the Europeans should accept this conflict, and go for this. China already does. And now Russia does. Just Europe still sits in the starting block, and talks, and talks, and talks. And already is trailing behind by twenty years or so. Say goodby to international ambitions to be seen as one of the big players, Europe: just endless moral lecturing does not lead you anywhere. Who wants to be seen as a strong player at the table for the grand jeu, needs to be strong all by himself. And cyberspace, cloud computing, and the web, are three of the most important aspects of the grand jeu. But the Europeans play CO2 Gambit in a bit to checkmate themselves...! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.