View Single Post
Old 04-03-17, 02:34 AM   #27
BarracudaUAK
Captain
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 520
Downloads: 33
Uploads: 0


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reece View Post
Thanks for the heads up, looking at those files is a nightmare, I will wait till I know a lot more.
I now want to install Wine for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, I got the Ubuntu Software Center to search and it seems to only come up with a development version 1.9.6. Should I install this?
I could just download it from firefox but again not sure of a suitable version.

Should I install version 2.0 this way:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ricotz/unstable
sudo apt update (I don't have a previous version, is this needed?)
sudo apt install wine2.0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins View Post
Sorry, I missed this post. No, I wouldn't install it that way.

I'd use the same rules I use for installing software in Windows, plus hooking repositories into Ubuntu Software and Synaptic Package Manager whenever possible. That way Software Update will update these programs every time it runs and you never have to look for the latest version again. Always go direct to the source group that makes the program. Then hook their repositories to Ubuntu so you can just download them in Ubuntu Software or Synaptic Package Manager.

The place to get WINE stuff is Winehq. Go to this page and follow instructions:


Actually, once you get to "sudo apt-get update" after you do that you can search for and install the latest WINE from Ubuntu Software or Synaptic because you've integrated the download process into the operating system itself with that last command. I went for the development branch and have never been sorry I did.

Due to external interference, my update from Fedora 24 to 25 failed, so I had to install 25 from disk, so my Ubuntu Virtual Machine isn't functioning at this time....

1.9.6 isn't a 'bad' version, it is just 1 year old.
Depending on which program you are trying to run, newer, is not necessarily better.
I say this because the Steam DX11 version of Red Faction Guerilla ran great in DX11 mode in 1.9.8, but 1.9.9, all the way up to the current 2.3 (that I have installed) it no longer works. Although, the DX9 mode still works well.
This is what is known as a "regression".

However, WINE 2.0 is a STABLE release.

Unstable "branches" may not be "unstable", but they are not tested enough to be "sure".

Usually what the "package maintainers" do, is exactly what RR quotes, they setup the "package" to do the work for you.
In addition to a few other things, such as testing for bugs.

I don't have to install the 32bit libraries as this is done by default with the Fedora repositories.
This is one of the reasons that I like Fedora, I don't have to do all the work.

If it works for RR and he has the same version as you, then you should be good to go.
BUT, YMMV.

If you just want to get familiar with WINE, then installing 1.9.6 would be a good place to start. Really easy to remove at that point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skybird View Post
I still have not figured out how to bind in a second Hd and then have not just data (archives for exmaple) stored there, but stuff being installed there. Okay, the second HD is bind into the system now, but I cannot install there, only manually store data and archives there.

All input I got on that in anothe forum so far tells me that this is to so easily possible. I have a hard time to bveleive that, since it would represent a monumental disadvantage of Linux, if true.

My laptop has a small SSD where Linux was preinstalled, and a 1 TB HD that I intended to use for installing working/gaming software. So far I ave not had any need to do so and only manually moved some mp3 and photo arhcives on the second, big HD. But if I would want to install some Steam-Linux games on the second HD with its much bigger storage capacity - how to do that?

This is one of the things that has driven me crazy so far.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins View Post
Did they actually tell you that couldn't be done? Foolish mortals. Here's the deal. The file tree in Linux isn't a literal file tree as we think of in Windows. In fact (play the mysterious music) EVERYTHING in Linux is a file: monitors, disk drives, printers, keyboards.........yikes.

Everything Linux does is organized into a tree and each part of that tree can live wherever you wish. If you make a partition and register it as /.home it's your home directory! The easy way to do this stuff is to identify the part of the tree that needs to live on another drive.

Here is some light reading that will blow what remains of your mind after reading the above. There basically is no Linux equivalent to Windows' \program files or \program files (x86) directories. Programs hang out in /bin or /sbin or /usr/bin or usr/share or /opt or /usr/local. That's fine. But then it gets crazy. Linux programs aren't little mutually exclusive universes. They share capabilities with each other by sharing all their libraries--the equivalent of Windows' .dll files.

So when I install 7zip in Linux, its functions are picked up and used by the Archive Manager, which picks up the ability to use 7zip files! so you better include /lib, /lib32 and /lib64 in your list of directories to move to the big mondo-drive.

Okay, you know what is good to move. Here's the plan. First you copy the directory you want moved to the other drive. Then you put a symbolic link in the Linux directory tree to have it look there.

So if you're moving /somedirectory to a new drive you'd do this
Code:
mv /somedirectory /media/otherdisk/somedirectory
ln -s /mnt/otherdisk/somedirectory /somedirectory
Your path to another drive may be /mnt/<diskname> instead of /media/.. like in Ubuntu. The first line moves the directory to your other disk and path of your choosing. I'd use cp (copy) instead of mv (move) because I'm just chicken that I'd break something.... Once it works you can delete the original directory with "rm /somedirectory."

The second line says make a link (symbolic) for your other disk directory into the tree of /somedirectory. Then whenever Linux needs to reference /somedirectory it will look where it lives, thanks to the symbolic link.

Skybird,

As far as installing Steam games to another drive, you can in the steam settings, tell it to install the games to another directory.

On the menu bar:
Steam --> Settings
Downloads tab: "STEAM LIBRARY FOLDERS" button near the top.
"Steam Library Folders" box, "ADD LIBRARY FOLDER".
Then all you have to do is enter the directory that is your 2nd hard drive.


I did this on my Dual-Core in Fedora 20.
I was running an old 40GB IDE, and I had a SATA2 10,000rpm WD Raptor hard drive "mounted" at '/mnt/raptor'.
(usually as a user, you can't touch this directory, but it was still a NTFS partition, so Linux let me have full access.)
I set my Steam Library to /mnt/raptor/steamlibrary

Now as far integrating your 2nd drive:

1st: Are you clicking on the hard drive in your file manager to "mount" it?
Or is it automatically mounted when you boot your PC?

Second: If it is NOT being automatically mounted you will have to do that in

/etc/fstab

DO NOT PLAY WITH THIS FILE, YOU CAN BREAK YOUR SYSTEM.
When I say "Break", I mean it will no longer boot.
And unless you are comfortable with -JUST- the command line, fixing it could be -nearly- impossible.


This tells the system all the partitions that should be "mounted" at boot.
At which point, you can then proceed with setting up your system/programs to use the new drive.

If you can tell me how you are accessing it (i.e. mounting it manually or not), then we can figure out the next step.

If the 1TB isn't automatically mounted, then adding the symlinks that RR mentioned won't work.
As you would be pointing to another directory "mounted" on the same drive.
You need to first "mount" the 1TB to the filesystem, THEN you could symlink as required.

PLEASE NOTE: I tried to cover the basics of many aspects of this. I could explain this verbally really quickly. BUT typing this takes forever, and by the time I get home after reading the post on my phone, it is late and I've forgotten most of what I was going to type...

Barracuda

EDIT: To clarify, There are many things I "just do" with Fedora and a friend's Raspberry Pi, (running "Raspian", Debian based) without thinking about it. It is there, if you dropped your PC in front of me and said "I want it to do this." I would set it up. After, I would tell you what was where, and if you wanted to know more I would explain.
But, typing instructions out, "converting" to win/dos terms, and doing this across distrobutions (2 different ones in this case) on top of being VERY tired... and my post get either VERY long, or I start skipping (or repeating) things. And at the level Skybird would be working, could REALLY lead to bad results.
Once things calm down, I should be able to get back to having clear, detailed post about this.
My apologies if anything was unclear in this post.

Last edited by BarracudaUAK; 04-03-17 at 02:53 AM.
BarracudaUAK is offline   Reply With Quote