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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
have you tried pressing Alt-Ctrl-Del keys then under the processes Tab shut them down - Just click on them and click 'End Process' tab
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Yup, have tried that. Just can't kill them via either Task Manager or FSAutostart (where they don't show up at all).
Win XP has some sort of other services/processes utility IIRC. I was going to give it a try, but I'm danged if I can remember what it's called. It's not dxdiag ... something else. EDIT/ADD: So now I've just remembered ... msconfig. Not sure if that'll do it, mind you, and gotta re-install ver8 to find out.