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Originally Posted by Buddahaid
The US already has social institutions which I'll put under the category of promoting the general welfare. I'm sure we will never see eye to eye on this, but I don't see the US going the communist route ever, but I am seeing a significant portion moving in a Fascist direction which is every bit as bad, if not worse. Unlike many here, I don't view socialism as an outright evil, but as a needed aspect of any government to serve it's population to mutual benefit. Of course, there is a sensible middle ground, but the word shouldn't carry the stigmatism it gets as if it's the same as communism.
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I'm not talking about a welfare program to help others in need. Hell I do that, I'll slip a homeless fella a Jackson or contribute to charity. I'm talking about Socialism there is a HUGE glaring difference between the two. I suggest you read Das Kapital
Capitalism is about the private sector the individual, private freedoms the non hierarchy part of society that controls the means of production and pricing. It is distinctly anti-corporation. In fact, Marxists, Communists, Socialists, Facists, and Authoritarians are the birds of a feather who are pro corporation, pro public, and pro state control of the means of production.
Socialists want government control of the economy. They want central banks just as Marx called for in the communist manifesto.
They want to rid themselves of private trade unions and workers councils, and like Hitler and Lennin did nationalize them into the body of the state
Let me explain if you have large trade unions which dominate societies, something that Marxist syndicalists believe in. You could say that they would embody the nation if they embody the nation, they embody the corpse, a.k.a the corporation, that's where the term comes from. Then they would be giant public entities. The central state finds it easier to control a handful of public corporations than it does thousands of small private businesses or trade unions.
Socialists who want to control society, only want a handful of public corporations rather than thousands of small private companies. This is the central idea behind Marxist socialism and anarchy cynicalism, or corporatism or fascism or national socialism. Think back for a moment when during the so called COVID panic and calls by Democrats to close businesses around the nation. This caused the private sector mom and pop stores to suffer greatly and collapse. Leaving behind the public corporations who can easily be controlled by bailouts and tons of regulations.
They all want the public sector to have total control, total state control, totalitarian control, the modern roots of the fascist corporate state were revolutionary syndicalism.
Socialists want the end of capitalism. They want the end of the private sector. They want everybody to be part of this hierarchy, the body of the nation, the corporation, the corporate state, socialism, with most of you as slaves at the bottom and them in total control at the top, there can be no individual who is outside of the state. Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.
Marx called for the following: (I know for a fact you called for some of the same things too.)
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes to a heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
2. Abolition of all rights of inheritance and for confiscation of the property of all immigrants and rebels.
3. In case you haven't noticed small banks are being forced out of business. Marx called for the centralization of credits in the hands of the state by means of a national bank with, State capital and an exclusive monopoly. Yes, that includes State monopoly and Central Banking on a NATIONAL level.
4. In case you haven't put 2 and 2 together yet. Marx also calls for the centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
5. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state. They're bringing into cultivation of wastelands and the improvements of soil generally in accomplice with a common plan. (The four or Five year plan) Corporations are buying farmland hand over fist. In the name of saving the planet I bet
6. Equal liability of all to work, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. (More Slavery & War)
7. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country and
8. Free education for all children in public schools.