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Skybird · 03-04-23, 05:05 PM

“To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be.” - Golda Meir.

Nuclear deterring an enemy who has nukes like you but in other regards is more primitive and poorer than you, does not work - because you have more to lose than him. Or does anyone think trading the annihilation of New York or Los Angeles can be calculated against the annihilation of Pyong Yang? For somebody who really, truly hates the West/the US, such a trade must sound like a bargain.

Not letting the other have/getting nukes is the only way to go. Regarding Iran, I am of this opinion since twenty years and longer, since I was there.

Also, additional to proliferation it is another risk involved, and that is the risk of an uncontrolled nuclear arms race, and that in a madhouse of this planet where religious fanatism rules and generations- and centuries-old open bills remain unsettled. Lousy idea to accept that happening - very lousy idea.

Leasing his quote from Golda Meir again, slightly altering it: "Peace will come when the others will love their children more than they hate us.”

But what about the unscrupolous governments at the top of a country's hierarchy? They do not care for the people they rule. We can see that clearly in Iran. That government kills its people. Or does the fascist government in Russia care for its own people? Does that of North Korea?

Russia and north Korea we cannot prevent from getting nukes anymore, but both mean trouble, especially proliferation of nuclear technology from NK. We still can prevent Iran, to not allow another evil being added to the world. If we always just tolerate all the monsters being bred in the world, then one day the crowd under our bed becomes unignorable, and one night we are eaten in our sleep.

I really think we should bomb those key installations back into the stone age, we shoudl have done that already 10 years ago, 15 years, with doing all what is needed to accheive that task. Just that. If that means to flatten a full mountain, then keep the bombs falling until it is no more, but is a hole in the ground. I think that since many years. Two wars of desire were launched by the West in the ME since 1991, plus one lets call it a war or reaction. Iran is an operation of need. Whether it turns into a lasting war, is up to Iran - but their nuclear program, the key installations and bomb material must be destroyed, their specialists killed.

The European Chamberlainism of past years over Iran was not helpful - except for the Iranian bomb program.

Bitter. We live in interesting times. Thats a Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	“To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be.” - Golda Meir. Nuclear deterring an enemy who has nukes like you but in other regards is more primitive and poorer than you, does not work - because you have more to lose than him. Or does anyone think trading the annihilation of New York or Los Angeles can be calculated against the annihilation of Pyong Yang? For somebody who really, truly hates the West/the US, such a trade must sound like a bargain. Not letting the other have/getting nukes is the only way to go. Regarding Iran, I am of this opinion since twenty years and longer, since I was there. Also, additional to proliferation it is another risk involved, and that is the risk of an uncontrolled nuclear arms race, and that in a madhouse of this planet where religious fanatism rules and generations- and centuries-old open bills remain unsettled. Lousy idea to accept that happening - very lousy idea. Leasing his quote from Golda Meir again, slightly altering it: "Peace will come when the others will love their children more than they hate us.” But what about the unscrupolous governments at the top of a country's hierarchy? They do not care for the people they rule. We can see that clearly in Iran. That government kills its people. Or does the fascist government in Russia care for its own people? Does that of North Korea? Russia and north Korea we cannot prevent from getting nukes anymore, but both mean trouble, especially proliferation of nuclear technology from NK. We still can prevent Iran, to not allow another evil being added to the world. If we always just tolerate all the monsters being bred in the world, then one day the crowd under our bed becomes unignorable, and one night we are eaten in our sleep. I really think we should bomb those key installations back into the stone age, we shoudl have done that already 10 years ago, 15 years, with doing all what is needed to accheive that task. Just that. If that means to flatten a full mountain, then keep the bombs falling until it is no more, but is a hole in the ground. I think that since many years. Two wars of desire were launched by the West in the ME since 1991, plus one lets call it a war or reaction. Iran is an operation of need. Whether it turns into a lasting war, is up to Iran - but their nuclear program, the key installations and bomb material must be destroyed, their specialists killed. The European Chamberlainism of past years over Iran was not helpful - except for the Iranian bomb program. Bitter. We live in interesting times. Thats a Chinese curse: may you live in interesting times. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 03-04-23 at 05:49 PM.