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CCIP 11-08-08 05:15 PM

Twenty killed on Russian submarine (merged)
 
Looks like a real tragedy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7718156.stm

Alright, what actually happened here? Anyone have any more information?

CCIP 11-08-08 05:42 PM

Alright, details beginning to emerge, the cause is still unclear beyond a fire extinguishing system failure.

The boat was on sea trials and had 208 people on board, most of whom were civilian (with only 81 being military personnel).

The boat has not officially been named, but is most likely the Akula-class Nerpa, which would be a match since she'd be likely to be on sea trials now - the boat had been recently working up as part of her sale to the Indian navy, to which she was due to be transferred in 2009.

Oberon 11-08-08 05:42 PM

(EDIT'd Since CCIP analysis of the boats ID is highly likely correct.)

A bloody tragedy, RIP to those poor guys and prayers for their families :(

Ramius 11-08-08 06:04 PM

Sorry, just re-read the article.

Obviously must be fitted with some kind of "drench" system, possibly Halon or Nitrogen.
Not the way to go :(

RIP

PeriscopeDepth 11-08-08 06:26 PM

May the sailors RIP.

Over 200 people on an Akula? Sounds crowded. I imagine it was a rather chaotic scene.

PD

Thomen 11-08-08 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP
Alright, details beginning to emerge, the cause is still unclear beyond a fire extinguishing system failure.

The boat was on sea trials and had 208 people on board, most of whom were civilian (with only 81 being military personnel).

The boat has not officially been named, but is most likely the Akula-class Nerpa, which would be a match since she'd be likely to be on sea trials now - the boat had been recently working up as part of her sale to the Indian navy, to which she was due to be transferred in 2009.

I knew I had read about the Nerpa before..
It was mentioned in an article on the SubSim main page couple of days ago..

http://indiatoday.digitaltoday.in/in...id=31&Itemid=1

CCIP 11-08-08 06:43 PM

Looking further at Russian sources here - the system involved was based on Khladon-114B2, which is a Freon-based refrigeration compound that is indeed used as part of the drenching system on the sub in all compartments except the reactor.

Still no official name for the sub, but the Udaloy DDG Admiral Tributz is known to have been accompanying the sub on trials and took on the casualties; it is due to arrive back ashore to transfer the casualties shortly.

Currently the report says "more than 20" killed, and another 21 non-lethal casualties of various degrees of severity, all currently aboard Admiral Tributz.

[edit] - interesting tidbit about Admiral Tributs - that ship suffered an accidental on-board fire in which she was heavily damaged in 1991. According to Wiki, her sister ship Marshal Shaposhnikov, which is also in the Pacific Fleet, was also severely damaged by a fire just this september.

Great safety record they've got in that fleet :shifty:

[edit 2] - although before I blame the fleet, it should be noted that Nerpa was/is not yet commissioned. Officials are already blaming the shipbuilder, who is responsible for the boat until it is commissioned.

Marcantilan 11-08-08 07:50 PM

A real tragedy. RIP.

Task Force 11-08-08 08:08 PM

Sad that stuff like this happens. RIP to them, and best of luck to there familys.

SteamWake 11-08-08 08:11 PM

My god... what a tragity. I pray for them.

I watched the file "The Widow Maker" the other night, makes one wonder as to the Russians attitude of safety vs mission.

MothBalls 11-08-08 08:37 PM

Tragic and really sorry to hear about this.

Something that bothered me in the article;

Quote:

Military prosecutors are investigating the incident.
This makes it sound like they are searching for blame and not the cause.





RIP

CCIP 11-08-08 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MothBalls
This makes it sound like they are searching for blame and not the cause.

Yes, unfortunately this is how things often work in Russia. As I mentioned, the government is already starting to clean its' hands of this by blaming the shipbuilder, suggesting that the civilian workers aboard were a factor and the ship, not being commissioned, is the factory's responsibility and not the navy's.

To quote my favorite song about the Kursk tragedy,
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri Shevchuk (DDT)

Later of what happened here,
For so long they'll lie...
Will the commission ever tell
How hard it is to die?

Actually, would be quite appropriate to link that song/video now as a memorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luOBPfrvYvY

:(

Yorktown_Class 11-08-08 11:22 PM

Russian sub mishap...At least 20 dead
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...4A738V20081108

McBeck 11-09-08 05:35 AM

What a tragedy! :cry:

XabbaRus 11-09-08 05:52 AM

It's the same everywhere though especially so in Russia.

I remember when that Upholder going to Canada had an incident and a crewman died, the blame game started pretty quickly.

I wonder if someone pressed the wrong button. Human error quite often is the most likely cause.


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