I never managed understanding how TDW's wind speed patch is interacts with the rest of SH5's weather setting.

In theory, the game should pick wind speeds for each climate zone/season combination from the corresponding min/max windspeed parameters set in climate weather cfg files, each cfg file corresponding to a particular climate zone. In vanilla game min and max wind speeds are always set to 1 and 15 respectively, irrespective of climate zone and season. In Dynamic Environment we narrowed down this range, in an effort to create more variotion between different climate areas and seasons by actually reducing intra-seasonal/intra-zonal variation. Since nowhere in game files wind speeds higher than 15 m/s are set, TDW's patch should take no effect unless weather cfg files are set to allow higher wind speeds than the stock 15 m/s. If those parameters were applied correctly, (and not, as guess, bypassed), we wouldn't be forced to use the maximum theoretical wind speed of 60 m/s: we could rather set the maxwindspeed parameter of the windiest climate zones/seasons to a more reasonable 20 or 30 m/s.
There is more: as rightly noted by you, wind-related wave parameters are set in seaparameters.cfg file. If I remember correctly the vanilla cfg file contains settings for 0, 5, 10 and 15 m/s wind speeds, but one could add/remove any set of windspeed parameters, as far as the two stock extremes (0 and 15 m/s) are represented into the file. Parameters for missing wind speeds are simply interpolated from available data. Now my question is: where does the game get data for wind speeds higher than 15 m/s, since all the available wave mods have 15 m/s as their maximum wind speed?

I once asked TDW for clarifications, but I never received an answer to my doubts. :hmmm:

Hi Vecko, I am similarly glad to see that some of my old subsim friends, including you, are still hard at work on our game. :salute:
I could actually resume my modding activity anytime soon: I have just recently bought a new laptop. I haven't installed SH5 and the relevant modding utilities yet, but a 2.4 GHz 5th generation i7 processor (of the low power consumpion version though), 16 GB of RAM, and a GeForce GTX 850M with 4 GB of dedicated RAM, should be enough for any gaming and modding purpose as far as games of the SH series are concened. :sunny:
I just hope that Windows 8.1 won't come on the way: has anyone reported compatibility issues with SHIII, IV and 5?

Amazing :rock:

This is how the KDB upgrade should have been set from the beginning, as having it as the sole listening gear would have made little sense in real life, and forced devs to some unrealistic settings.
The two sensors being fitted together also rules out the objection made by some players on the extreme vulnerability of the KDB, especially at depths higher than 150 m as correctly modelled in RSD. Someone even speculated that they would have carried some spare sensors aboard, but I don't think so: really the KDB was an extra sensor affected by some serious limitations, which was fitted just on a limited number boats, and used only sparingly when circumstances required/allowed for it. :know:
Last but not least, your experience is showing us that the game is capable to handle more that one sensor of the same type fitted on a playable u-boat. I was thinking about adding some new RADAR's to the game:
http://amp.rokket.biz/docs/an_illust...t_research.pdf

I have the FuMB 26 - TUNIS already fully modelled and textured, and waiting for being imported in game... :03:

Weird. All of the playable u-boat hulls share the same QR room, where hydrophone station controllers are located. Any possible glitch shouldn't be affected by the u-boat type we are commanding... but this game got us used to any kind of silliness already. :haha:

Hello Gap, I've also come across this problem with the stuck hydro needle when the KDB has been damaged in the VIIB. This has occurred during depth charge attacks but in addition, every analogue gauge inside the boat becomes inoperative with the needles all pointing to the 12 o'clock position. Not sure if this is a result of the hydro damage or is a separate problem. The only way to get them working again is to end the patrol and restart.

i play them without any problem on win 8.1 all of them, also i play sh3 on HD with wide screen resolution patch on win 8.1. makman, conus, and others have made really nice wide screen Ui's for silent hunter 3.


PS. really glad to see u back gap :d i am a big fan of your graphics works

On a VIIB you said, and ALL the needles were stuck. :hmmm:
I wonder if there is a difference in the way VIIB and VIIC/41 are scripted in game, compared to other u-boat models... luckily there is an easy solution to this glitch.

Thank you mate! :D

I'll try to describe what will happen with the game when 60m/s patch is enabled...

The game will randomly shift wind speeds between 0 and 60 m/s, pretty much the same like before between 0 and 15m/s. So, if you use stock separameters.cfg file you will always look in 15m/s waves because most of the time game will give you something like 20,35,48 ect m/s winds...

Someone will say "great, we only have to set waves parameters in their cfg file to match 60 m/s hurricane winds" ...Wrong, because it just cant be done. If you try to set waves to higher and more extreme than what we have now with stock 15m/s waves, it will just look ridiculous and unrealistic and our sub will act really funny...

Basically, TDW gave us tool to increase wind speed but it is not possible to set corresponding waves for resoulting wind speeds...

That's odd. :hmm2:

I start thinking that what TDW's patch actually does, is multiplying game-generated wind speeds by a fixed factor. The game engine will still think of wind speeds using the stock 1-15 values though. If, for instance, a certain weather zone/season combination has 5-15 m/s set as its windspeed range, the game will still throw the dices and pull a random number from the said range. Let's say it is a 10. At this point the code modified by TDW comes into the picture, multiplying 10 by a 4x factor, so that when we ask for a weather report, reported wind speed will be 40 and not 10 m/s. The game will still retain the 10 m/s figure though, and it will look for it in seaparameters.cfg file. When parameters for 10 m/s are read/interpolated from the said file, again TDW's code pops in, and multiplies some or all of the sea parameters in memory by a fixed factor (could be 4 again, or something else). These new parameters are the ones sent to SH5's graphic/phyisics engine to generate current waves.

Does it sound plausible? This is the only way (that I can think of) TDW's patch could generate/handle wind speeds higher than 15 m/s with no need of updates in cfg files from our part. If you are into it, I could device a set of cfg files aimed at testing my theory. :up:

For a start: by any chance, are the wind speeds reported by navigator all multiple of four after enabling the 60 m/s wind speed patch?

Not so sure, but I could add also that when patch is enabled clouds and smoke will hurtle over the sky like crazy...
I think that 60m/s patch doesn't interfere with wind speeds set in your env files but I cant be 100% sure.
All in all, the patch isn't really useful so you shouldn't bothering your self with it...

Offtopic and really sorry vdr1981

@gap
heya m8 can u tell me how i can edit the map 4320_2160.raw file i wanna add time zone for real navigation :D

on topic now i remember about and old discussion about with speed 60/s in fifi's tweak but i can not find that thread anymore :D

I don't enable the zero waves patch either . I can never get them to look ok .
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...6&postcount=12

Indeed a 60 m/s wind speed is a (very) rare occurrence in real world, and no doubt it is way too much to be handled in game, but supposed that we manage understanding how TDW's patch works, I would be content enough if we could limit maximum wind speed to something like 25-30 m/s, i.e. Beaufort 10-11 (storm to violent storm), or even a bit lesser if need be. Just for reference, consider that stock 15 m/s wind speed limit is equivalent to Beaufort 7 (moderate gale), though most wave mods tend to exagerrate its waves, compensating for such a low limit. Real world full-scale is Beaufort 12 (hurricane) for wind speeds exceeding 32.6 m/s.

Some theoretical considerations now; look at the following link:

The Probability Distribution of Sea Surface Wind Speeds. Part I: Theory and SeaWinds Observations.

Ignore the complicated calculations and skip to the graphs at p. 6. The first graph is representig average annual wind speeds at the sea level. As you can see, there are just a few spots on the world map where it exceeds 12 m/s. The second graph shows the annual deviation from mean wind speed, which on turn never exceeds ca. 5 m/s. By coupling this information with some basic statistics, we get that in the most extreme case (i.e. a theoretical spot on the map where the highest mean and highest standard deviation are coinciding), 84% of the times maximum wind speed won't exceed 17 m/s (= max. mean + 1 max. standard deviation), and 97.75% of the times it won't exceed 22 m/s (= max. mean + 2 max. standard deviations). Indeed this is ignoring skewness and kurtosis (3rd and 4th graphs) which are a measure of how asymmetrical a probability distribution is. Those factors can be simulated only partly in game, by setting different min-max wind speed ranges for each climate area based on season. Doing so would result in a slight increase of the maximum "likely" wind speed estimated above (i.e. not more than 22 m/s in 97.75% of the cases) for some seasons/areas; whence my proposed value of 25-30 m/s which, I repeat, would only apply to the windiest season of a few spots on the world map. A similar approach (it is: simulating asymmetrical wind speed distributions by introducing different max-min ranges for the same area, based on season) is already used in Dynamic Environment, within the 15 m/s limit imposed by the stock game, but increasing it reasonably would allow us to create more variability where needed/possible.

This is the worst possible scenery indeed, but there are easy ways to discard/confirm your hypothesis, and this is exactly what I was proposing to test. In order to do it, I only need a couple of volunteers ready to embark themselves on a few weather report patrols with TDW's patch and my upcoming patch enabled. Similar duties were part of the u-boat war after all. What is needed is just a bit of pacience and a good dose of imagination, required for replacing oncle Karl with me as B.d.U... :D

What photo editing program are you using? For sure photoshop is capable of opening/editing/saving raw files.

Thank you for the information Sjizzle, let me know if you manage tracking down that thread.

gap off :salute:

Had a few instances of strong winds around where I live this decade....Category 5 cyclone Larry!:D Since reading these posts regarding the 60m/s patch, my curiosity has been piqued. After trawling through the files, I was beginning to think along the same lines insofar as the max value of "15" m/s is an arbitrary value for Maximum and the "60" m/s become the new arbitrary value i.e the old values require factoring by 4. I was thinking of experimenting when I get my head around the EnvSim.act with a max value of 30 m/s and see what happens.

I've been looking for where the Generic Patcher inserts the new values into the EnvSim.act but could not find the position offset, Offset=0x3BED8 and just realised why while writing this...because I'm an idiot! I don't have the patch enabled! :oops: From initial observations, it appears that the EnvSim.act contains the min and max values but calls up the various .cfg files and uses those values to assemble and present the overall environmental conditions for that particular scenario. This appears to be the same with .exe and .dll files as there appears to be no variable values in the assembly call ups.

As Vdr was saying, to make this patch useable to it's full capability, the SeaParameters.cfg would have to be extensively reworked to make the waves etc look realistic as well as the m/s values for weather reports etc to name just a few.

Off topic while looking through the SH5.exe searching for weather related entries, I came across the CO2 rate of change entry ~ the CO2 level increases 10x faster than is should on the analogue gauge in the control room. I'll find the controlling value one of these days and factor it by 10 :yep:

CPU Disasm
Address Hex dump Command Comments
0145AAF4 . 43 4F 32 4C 65 76 65 6C 49 6E 63 72 65 61 73 65 ASCII "CO2LevelIncrease" ; ASCII "CO2LevelIncreaseRate"
CPU Disasm
Address Hex dump Command Comments
0145AB04 . 52 61 74 65 00 ASCII "Rate",0

@gap only found this picture about wind speed at 0/ms and 60/ms in your dynamic env. thread and now some of my memories came back and all the discussion was DynEnv v2.9 - Wave Mechanics - Gale (Improved) now i am on page 1k on tdw's patcher hope that today i will find or read all pages from the patcher thread :D
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/861435Zerowind7.jpg

If I understood you correctly guys , you're trying to say that 30m/s patch would be more useful then 60m/s patch, right?
Still, I fail to see what could you actually accomplish with 30/60m/s that you already can't with stock wind settings??:06:
Also, how would you solve fast moving smoke/clouds problem with patch enabled?

Are you aware at all that 15m/s waves with stock seaparam.cfg (0,5,10,15) and 60m/s waves with modified seaparm. cfg (0,20,40,60) will actually look exactly the same???

We can continue like this forever but you'll understand what I'm trying to say when you do some testing for your self...
Is that mighty laptop of your finally ready for sea trials Gap ???:D

What's more important for me and the biggest problem actaully is the fact that almost all of your hard work on DynEnv is completely canceled with save/reload bug/limitation and actual weather in game appears completely random and stuck.
Can we actually do something to bypass this problem??

By the way, patch/hotfix 4 is ready for download...

The Wolves of Steel 1.03 - Patch 5_HotFix 4 changelog:

Snapshot changes:
-

Other tweaks:
- Menu.txt: various tweaks to make crew reports more realistic. Watch crew will not be able to distinguish between troop transport and freighter. They are all merchants now.
- Smaller New UI's teleport buttons
- Init.aix: AI detection abilities
- DBSM speech periscope sound
- Increased number of days spent in the bunker from 14 to more realistic 25
- Fixed small issue in campaign.cfg files that can prevent few macro objectives to be date activated (space behind "=" mark)
- Tweaked armor and HP values in zone.cfg file (from next RSD update)
- Tweaked armor and HP values in submarines .zon files (from next RSD update)
- Removed some of less important/duplicated and merged charts in order to meet 50 charts limit.
- Less jumpy sub at lower wind speeds
- Added few new sounds - torpedo tubes/opening ect...

Added mods:
- SD_MapLocationNameFix_v1_2
- RadcapricornLarge Optics No Milliradian Scale Binoculars
- AilBubbles 1.0
- AilImpurity 1.2
- IO_MapCourseLine_sharp pencil_mod
- autoscripts1.0_WOS_tuned
- Sjizzle's - Charts for NewUIs part 5_23.05.2015
- sobers hud sounds V1 SH5
- SteelViking's Sky Banding Mod

Removed mods:
-

Installation:
1. This is Hotfix is not cumulative so it has to be enabled with JSGME after The Wolves of Steel 1.03-Patch 5 and before optional patches. Your activated modlist should look like this:

The Wolves of Steel 1.03
The Wolves of Steel 1.03 - Patch 5
The Wolves of Steel 1.03 - Patch 5_HotFix 4
The Wolves of Steel 1.03 - TDW Real Navigation *(optional mod)
The Wolves of Steel - *x* Resolution Patch *(optional mod)

You can remove The Wolves of Steel 1.03 - Patch 5_HotFix 3 from your JSGME


* Enable hotfix in the bunker.
* Some smaller changes will kick in after camping restart or after player's advance to the next campaign.
* Grossdeutscher Rundfunk New Remix 1939-1945_CTD Fix is not needed anymore...

Useful link sober, thank you for sharing! :up:

Thank you Kev, let us know if you find anything useful :up:

Thank you too Sjizzle! Have you managed opening the raw file that you were asking me about yesterday? :salute:

A more realistic distribution of wind speed probabilities, and a more accurate simulation of sea waves as a function of in game wind speeds. :03:

Isn't smoke/clouds speed a function of wind speed? It that was true, limiting max wind speed to 30 m/s or lesser, would halve clouds speed compared to when 60 m/s wind speeds are allowed. Anyway most of the time cloud speed will be even slower than this, due to max wind speed limitations set in climate weather cfg files. Should cloud/smoke wind speed still be too high, I hope we can find the relevant game variable and tweak it.

Maybe yes, maybe not. I didn't look into all the wave mods available for SH5 but as I wrote yesterday most of them tend to exagerrate wave heights, especially towards the 15 m/s wind speed limit. This is to compensate the lack of higherwind speeds in stock game. There are formulas for calculating the most relevant wave parameters (height, amplitude and speed) based on wind speeds, but as far as I know no wave mod is based on them. I have those formulas (a bit semplified indeed) in a spreadsheet somewhere on my old hard drive. All you need is entering wind speed, and all the remaining parameters are calculated automatically. A 2D representation of the generated waves (also coded into my spreadsheet) gives decent results. Of course some, or many, manual tweaks might be needed, but I plan entering those values in game. I don't care if the resulting 30 m/s waves will look identical, or even smaller, than old 15 m/s waves, as far as the resulting wave mod will match more closely in-game wind speeds with waves whose shape and height is more similar to what one would expect for the same wind speeds in real world.

Almost, but I am afraid that though being a decent system, my new laptop doesn't come even close to the top-of-the-line technology. At least not enough to be called "mighty" :haha:

This is an old limitation, common to all the games of the SH family. Nothing can be done on this respect, if not by heavily tweaking the game code. From my illiterate point of view, such a task would be hard even for TDW, as he should make the game to save weather variables in sevegame files, and to read them back when the savegame is reloaded. This is adding new code to the game, not just tweaking some variables, but maybe one could get a clue from single missions, where current weather is read from file. As far as you know, has something similar ever be done for SHIII or IV? :hmmm:

:yeah:

Nope gap cos i don't have photoshop only gimp and pain.net and i can't open with them :(

RAW file format plugins for Gimp:
http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Install.html

RAW file format plugins for Paint.NET:
http://paint.net.amihotornot.com.au/...Camera_Images/
http://forums.getpaint.net/index.php...-paintnet-403/

Hope it helps :)

they doesn't work i have tested them already

After tons of testing, I'm really afraid that something like this with SH weather/waves engine isn't possible, unfortunately...Even Sober gave up after 30+ of his waves mods...:wah:

You already know that entering real life values into almost any of SH files will give you totally unrealistic results in actual gameplay...There may be a LOT of tweaking to come...


Forgive me, this may sound a bit harsh, but what is the point of investing time in such complicated job like weather engine modeling when "thing" is broken in a first place and it cant be fixed?:wah: