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Jimbuna 01-06-13 05:30 PM

SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/pirate.gif

Riccardo1975 01-08-13 10:19 AM

Thanks mate!
 
[QUOTE=

In reality if you had sunk a Revenge class (Royal Oak was of that class) you could expect at the very least EKII and EKI. Probably RK and tea with Hitler as well. I think the game can't 'leapfrog' awards like in real life - if you pass the threshold for the RK and the RK + Oakleaves in one patrol, you get the RK at the end of that patrol and the oakleaves are 'stacked' so that you'll recieve them next patrol, even if you don't sink anything.

Hope this helps![/QUOTE]:up::up

Thanks for the info! It was right in the middle of an eastbound convoy just north of Belfast. End around to the North, let the Black Swan pass on me on the surface then ahead 1/3 at scope depth, heading 190. Always have 2xT1 and 2xTII up front for bubbles or no bubbles, so loosed the lot at 800m. Three hits amidships and one engine room. Foundered stern first. :yeah:

So at the end of my next patrol I'll get my EK First Class even if I only sink 3 schooners and large trawler?

Many thanks again! I'll try to learn photo uploads. Can you upload patrol logs off SH3 Commander?

Last one! Where do I get "Das Boot sounds" from. Sounds immense!

Got a single hit on HMS Hood way west of Rockall at about 2200m. HMS Rodney was there as wel but thats another story....:03:

Rich

Singed 01-08-13 10:55 AM

Still getting to know SH-3 (I used to play SH-4). SH-III + GWX + a couple of other minor mods, running around 80 percent realism. Manual targeting, but I like my eye candy so the f12 camera is available, though my own house rules say I can only use it after the eels go out and absolutely never when I'm being attacked.

On my 5th patrol, heading towards my assigned grid west of Ireland another boat reported a large inbound convoy that was almost right on top of me at 2100 hours. I ordered a westward turn and put my best watch hands on deck, by 21:45 we had spotted the first escort heading straight for us. Sea conditions were slick, a bright moon provided excellent visibility for us, but also for them so I immediately ordered periscope depth. It was not long before I could see there were two escorts out front, followed by a mass of large ships.

With little time to maneuver to the edges of the convoy and not wanting to present my side to the escorts, I ordered the U-99 straight in to the heart of it, but first we had to get past the escorts. Set depth at 100 meters, ahead slow, and wait for the moment to present itself. Before long, I could hear escorts behind me, and nothing but merchants ahead, we had slipped through the screen.

Since I had a rough course on the convoy, I began setting the TDC for a fast 90 attack and ordered a change of heading to nearly due north, turns for just 1 kph, we glided silently up to periscope depth while opening all tubes. As the scope broke the surface, two targets presented themselves perfectly, just a few hundred yards, and only slightly off 0 bearing. I sent two eels each at them, then swiveled the scope 180 to find a large tanker perfectly positioned for the rear tube and close. I let the rear eel go and called for the dive.

End result, 4 of 5 hit, 3 ships down. We never had an escort get near us. Wound up shadowing the convoy while reloading and picking off two more before heading back to port. My best mission yet.

Arnold 01-09-13 09:45 PM

Neutral shores
 
SH III, patrol 13, 13 MAR 41, U-48, 1st Flotilla, Brest
Enroute to the North Channel, to a point about 250 KM West of Glasgow. Sunk C2 cargo, 6446 tons, 3 MAR 41, BF45. Sunk C2 cargo, 6447 tons, 8 MAR 41, BE69. Sunk tanker, 11,653 tons, 13 MAR 41.
We had a bit of trouble on our last patrol while near the North Channel. We received a report of an inbound convoy nearby. We plotted an intersecting course for the convoy and caught four C2 cargo merchants with a screen of four escorts. Approaching from the Southwest of the convoy, we attempted a fast surface run around the rear of the convoy. Spotted by a British V&W destroyer, we submerged to periscope depth and faced our enemy head-on. At 900 km, we fired an electric eel, which swept past the destroyer on it's starboard. Success! For some unknown reason, our torpedo made contact and we sank our first capital ship! I could hear shouts of "Becks! Becks! Becks!" from the engine room. And so, our journey continues on our 13th patrol. I enjoy watching the sunrise, while on deck. I enjoy the majesty of the North Atlantic storms. I often let the game remain at 1X time compression, so I can enjoy the view of the ocean. Fair winds and following seas, my friends. Fight! Win! or Die!

Riccardo1975 01-15-13 01:33 PM

Scapa vs Freetown.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav Schiebert (Post 1989187)
You should be, for that. Here's my research on the matter:

KptLt Gunther Prien had the EKII already when he sunk HMS Royal Oak in October 1939. He got both the EKI and the Knight's Cross for that, as well as tea with Hitler etc.

ObltzS von Tiesenhausen sunk HMS Barham in November '41 - he also had the EKII but only got the EKI, and no lunch with Hitler (although he did eventually get the Knight's Cross in January '42.

There was a lot of variance over a commander's reward for a 'prestige sinking', although a Knight's Cross was usual. Towards the end of the war the requirements dropped enormously and some recieved the RK for simply damaging a merchant ship, so dangerous had it become.

In reality if you had sunk a Revenge class (Royal Oak was of that class) you could expect at the very least EKII and EKI. Probably RK and tea with Hitler as well. I think the game can't 'leapfrog' awards like in real life - if you pass the threshold for the RK and the RK + Oakleaves in one patrol, you get the RK at the end of that patrol and the oakleaves are 'stacked' so that you'll recieve them next patrol, even if you don't sink anything.

Hope this helps!

Hey Gustav!

That attack on Scapa was superb! Early war destroyers just seem dumb beyond belief? Getting rammed and surviving! Wheres the titanium conning tower download....?:haha:

Tried the same trick at Freetown but the huge amount of tonnage inside the breakwater made me forget the anti submarine nets. Gun battle on the surface with an ASW trawler wasn't the right method of infiltration. Especially when the V&W turned up. End of career.:down:

Heading for the North Channel found some lucky Danish cargoes in the North Sea and had a fight with ten Swordfish heading in an anti-clockwise arc around Scapa.
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They sent them singly while i was sunbathing off Aberdeen, then pairs as I headed for deep water above the Orkneys and then the last lot were a trio while heading for the Faroes. No match for my Stabsoberbootman AA specialist! Think it was down to a "Task Force" that was just north of Scotland, course ene(?)
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Got no contacts on the way to Londonderry so had a look in that port. Got an A&B astern of a J&K eastbound, 4km bearing 320. Dived to periscope depth, headed north, rig for silent running sank them both with my two stern TII.
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http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1529aea5.png


Not quite simultaneous hits but the J&K detonated and the smaller A&B just foundered. Both torp. set to 2m running depth and impact, distance was over 1400m. Fired tube V at bearing 170, counted to ten(quickly!)and then fired tube VI at something like 240.
After surfacing for some fresh air got surface contact of three Elcos so fired a few 105mm at about 3km looking for that "magic" hit. Started taking return fire so dived to 20m and disappeared westbound, ahead slow, secure from silent running.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5775c316.png

Hope Onkel Neal doesn't mind me uploading all these photos..?

Still hunting.....:salute:

Ancient Mariner 01-18-13 05:39 AM

Late 1940.Patrol Grid CF34 out of St Nazaire. Got off to an evening launch,+- 100km offshore "Sub spotted" from watch,on further investigation I found an S class. Decided to attack on surface with guns....after a small exchange of cannon & flak fire she was sent to a watery grave.

Reached Grid CF34 patrolled for 24h then went hunting intercepted an ore carrier,was lucky to spot rising sun flag BDu would have had my bacon.....2 Days later intercepted a good size convoy with a fairly heavy escort(2 Black swan,Dido,S class & Flower) Tried a new tactic albeit unsuccesfuly of firing a spread into convoy,,,0 for 4....:down: Got ashcanned for a while...managed to escape but decided to try again.......snuck in from behind pn surface at flank....ended using all my eels for 0 kills.....:wah: 3 definite duds at 800m:/\\!! Second patrol in a row with many a dud eel...come on BDu...sort this problem out

Grun Teufel 01-18-13 08:31 AM

[QUOTE=TheDuke233;1938035]Recently in SHV, I was doing a photo recon of anchored enemy carriers in the Solomons...Snuck into shallow water camera range and alearted a Jap DD.. I had no option other than to shoot down the throat.. I fired a 3 torpedo spread and scored two hits, sending him to meet honorable ancestors..Got my recon photos and as I was doing a 180 for deeper water I heard another torpedo impact from the one that missed the DD...I thought I had hit the carrier as it was in the same direction I fired..Later in deeper water, I upped scope and observed smoke and flames on the horizon from the direction of the carriers...At 10K+ more yards and in deeper water I surfaced...Very soon thereafter I had an extreamly PO'ed Jap destroyer headed right at me, lobing shells while blazing and smoking away!! I had scored a very lucky hit with the missed torpedo on another DD I hadn't even seen!! :hmmm:...Dropped down below the thermocline, went silent and snuck away...10K+ more yards and a distant blazing DD in the periscope rear, I surfaced again...Yeah...you guessed it...Here he comes right at me with a bone in his mouth...Back deep and quiet, coming to periscope depth to cross the gap and into the deep sea channel, I surfaced again at about 15K..:huh:.Here he comes from out of sight range, still blazing and smoking but with a full head of steam...Enough is enough...This guy was going to chase me all the way back to Pearl Harbor...Another spread from my rear tubes and he went down...Prob a glitch in the software, but with a little imagination, it could have been a Jap DD with radar...

awesome action! Did you sail this patrol during the battle of the Coral Sea by chance? I do believe that happens somewhere around those islands.

Dronston 01-20-13 08:25 AM

sea depth charts?
 
I was assigned a grid near Freetown and after reaching and patrolling it I decided to check out if there was any bounty near the harbor of Freetown.
:arrgh!:
On the way I ran into a large convoy but was blocked by 3 black Swans and a flower class. Sank 3 of 'em but took damage and decided to not pursuit the convoy (also running out of fuel and torpedoes) 'cause it would take too much time to get into position after dodging my pursuers for several hours.
:know:
I was able to creep up just near the Freetown harbor entrance (P depth, silent running) and saw a 24k ton troopship and I couldn't resist trying to sink it (I know, not very realistic but very heroic). I ran aground, had some damage and went on decks awash and still did not get noticed. I fired two torpedoes at the troop carrier and hit it. Of course all hell broke loose and because I couldn't dive my tub was used for target practice. Needless to say my boat and crew did not survive, they will be missed and honored.
:salute:

Now for my question, is there a chart or mod telling me the various water depths around the world for SH3? That way I can determine if there is any depth at any given spot so I can work out tactics or a route when I plan another stupid action like this.
:hmm2:

Ancient Mariner 01-24-13 05:40 AM

Patrol 3: JAN 20 41:Assigned to grid AK 23.

Multiple sinkings in grids BF 17,41 & 42:arrgh!: 7 for 24k

Seems my complaints reached Bdu & they sorted me out some eels that explode when they hit target had 2 duds both MK2 electric.

All bar 2 traveling alone. Came across a small liner but she was making some serious speed NNW.Couldn't keep up. Then came across 4 ships in "convoy" waited for dark,got ready for 2 Large tanker kills......periscope up.....running lights on....:shifty:

RTB 02-10-41
Promoted & Medals for crew
40921 Merchant tonnage

Gustav Schiebert 02-02-13 03:09 AM

11 July 1944: BdU to all boats ... U-158 has failed to report in despite repeated contact requests. Task force last reported in AN22. Presumed sunk with all hands.

That was all the shocked U-Bootwaffe had to go on, when the telegraphists rushed through the boat and handed the signals to their commanders. Oblt Heller was dead. The greatest U-Boat ace, since overtaking Kretschmer last year, had fallen in the service of the Reich. No-one would ever know the full story of what happened to U-2547 and her crew...

* * *

On 07 July, Heller ordered 'ahead one third', and the Type-XXI boat U-2547 slipped silently out of the moorings at Bergen. No band, no parade, not like the first patrols out of Lorient. This was Heller's seventh war patrol, and the second in the futuristic elektroboot. Ordered to patrol the Western Approaches, the last patrol had yeilded 15,000 GRT - an impressive total at this stage of the war.

On the evening of 11 July, Heller ordered the boat to switch from schnorkel to electric propulsion. He sat on the control room hatchway door and peered expectantly at the hydrophone operator. His face was screwed up with concentration. "Warship screws ... 030! Moving fast! Long range!"

This was it. Heller took one of the headphones and scanned around. A task force. No merchants. "Well men!" he clambered back into the control room." Maybe it's time to show some Tommy destroyers the war isn't over yet. Rudder 20 degrees to starboard! Come to 330! Half speed ahead." The planesmen grinned as he slapped them both on the shoulders. Oblt Heller would come out on top. He'd been depth charged so many times before and escaped - even in his old Type-IX boat U-158. This elektroboot was Germany's salvation.

All that could be heard was the gentle hum of the engines, and the periodic whirrrrr-clunk of the periscope as Heller watched the Task Force cross his scope. "Dammit! They're going to slip past ... full speed ahead!" The men looked at each other as the engines sped up, going up in pitch and volume. Would the Tommies hear them like this? Heller called down the instructions to the bosun. "Going for that Hunt Class. Range: 2,300. Speed ... 14kts. AOB, 80 bows left. Spread shots from one, three and five - two metres depth, spread angle three degrees. Flood tubes one, three and five! Ready..."

Heller cursed. "He's seen us! Dammit ... switch AOB to 0! Spread angle to one degree ... fire!" The eels hissed from the tubes, and no sooner had the last one left the boat did Heller jump down into the control room. Rudder hard to port! Take her down! All ahead emergency!

Within minutes, the boat was at 110m. They hadn't heard any ASDIC yet, and all the destroyers were behind them. Heller ordered silent running and slowed to creep speed. He looked at the bosun, who's face was fixed on the stopwatch. He looked up and shook his head. "Missed, Herr Oberleutnant." Well, that battle was lost. Now for the next one.

The rumble of depth charges started far away. The men grinned at each other at first, they were slinking away at seven knots, even at creep speed. But then the screws started to surround the boat ... the hydrophone man started to report screws at 230, 250, 270 ... Heller constantly adjusted the course to try and head away from their course, keeping them at 180. But the explosions slowly got closer. Suddenly, the noise of propellers became overwhelming as a destroyer passed straight overhead.

For the next three hours, it was cat-and-mouse. Some of the bombs shook the boat so hard, the men thought the hull had been breached and the water was rushing in. They couldn't hide in 100m of water. The hydrophones were out, radar down, radio, two torpedo tubes, all the 'scopes, the port creep engine was destroyed ... Heller glanced at the Chief. As they read each other's thoughts, another blast shook the boat. "All batteries destroyed, Herr Oberleutnant! We're making water in the stern very fast!". Damn. Time for one last throw of the dice. "Blow the tanks, LI! Everything we've got! Get us on the diesels straight away when we surface..."

Even before the boat had fully broke the surface, the ting-ting-ting of the Oerlikons could be heard as the bows broke the surface. "First watch to bridge! Come to 180! All ahead, chief, FASTER!" The boat shook again, and screams could be heard from above. Heller clambered up the ladder, and stepped onto the bridge among the remains of his bridge watch. All four dead. He looked around him, almost blinded by the searchlights. Six ... seven destroyers! This was it. "Chief! Prepare the boat for scuttling! Abandon ship!" But it was too late. One of the destroyers raced out of the circling pack and made straight for the boat. As Heller looked back up over the side of the bridge, the last thing he saw was the bow of the destroyer as it slammed into the boat.

U-2547, and Oblt z. S. Ernest Heller, were no more.

VONHARRIS 02-02-13 05:27 AM

http://i50.tinypic.com/2zxvbco.jpg

Singed 02-02-13 07:28 PM

Starting over haha, the good news for everyone else is that the Tommies have GOT to be running short of depth charges at this point.

VONHARRIS 02-03-13 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singed (Post 2003415)
Starting over haha, the good news for everyone else is that the Tommies have GOT to be running short of depth charges at this point.

They never do. They have an unlomited supply of these tincans as well as counteless planes to makeour patrols a living hell.:wah:

LemonA 02-04-13 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav Schiebert (Post 2003105)
11 July 1944: BdU to all boats ... U-158 has failed to report in despite repeated contact requests. Task force last reported in AN22. Presumed sunk with all hands.

That was all the shocked U-Bootwaffe had to go on, when the telegraphists rushed through the boat and handed the signals to their commanders. Oblt Heller was dead. The greatest U-Boat ace, since overtaking Kretschmer last year, had fallen in the service of the Reich. No-one would ever know the full story of what happened to U-2547 and her crew...

* * *

On 07 July, Heller ordered 'ahead one third', and the Type-XXI boat U-2547 slipped silently out of the moorings at Bergen. No band, no parade, not like the first patrols out of Lorient. This was Heller's seventh war patrol, and the second in the futuristic elektroboot. Ordered to patrol the Western Approaches, the last patrol had yeilded 15,000 GRT - an impressive total at this stage of the war.

On the evening of 11 July, Heller ordered the boat to switch from schnorkel to electric propulsion. He sat on the control room hatchway door and peered expectantly at the hydrophone operator. His face was screwed up with concentration. "Warship screws ... 030! Moving fast! Long range!"

This was it. Heller took one of the headphones and scanned around. A task force. No merchants. "Well men!" he clambered back into the control room." Maybe it's time to show some Tommy destroyers the war isn't over yet. Rudder 20 degrees to starboard! Come to 330! Half speed ahead." The planesmen grinned as he slapped them both on the shoulders. Oblt Heller would come out on top. He'd been depth charged so many times before and escaped - even in his old Type-IX boat U-158. This elektroboot was Germany's salvation.

All that could be heard was the gentle hum of the engines, and the periodic whirrrrr-clunk of the periscope as Heller watched the Task Force cross his scope. "Dammit! They're going to slip past ... full speed ahead!" The men looked at each other as the engines sped up, going up in pitch and volume. Would the Tommies hear them like this? Heller called down the instructions to the bosun. "Going for that Hunt Class. Range: 2,300. Speed ... 14kts. AOB, 80 bows left. Spread shots from one, three and five - two metres depth, spread angle three degrees. Flood tubes one, three and five! Ready..."

Heller cursed. "He's seen us! Dammit ... switch AOB to 0! Spread angle to one degree ... fire!" The eels hissed from the tubes, and no sooner had the last one left the boat did Heller jump down into the control room. Rudder hard to port! Take her down! All ahead emergency!

Within minutes, the boat was at 110m. They hadn't heard any ASDIC yet, and all the destroyers were behind them. Heller ordered silent running and slowed to creep speed. He looked at the bosun, who's face was fixed on the stopwatch. He looked up and shook his head. "Missed, Herr Oberleutnant." Well, that battle was lost. Now for the next one.

The rumble of depth charges started far away. The men grinned at each other at first, they were slinking away at seven knots, even at creep speed. But then the screws started to surround the boat ... the hydrophone man started to report screws at 230, 250, 270 ... Heller constantly adjusted the course to try and head away from their course, keeping them at 180. But the explosions slowly got closer. Suddenly, the noise of propellers became overwhelming as a destroyer passed straight overhead.

For the next three hours, it was cat-and-mouse. Some of the bombs shook the boat so hard, the men thought the hull had been breached and the water was rushing in. They couldn't hide in 100m of water. The hydrophones were out, radar down, radio, two torpedo tubes, all the 'scopes, the port creep engine was destroyed ... Heller glanced at the Chief. As they read each other's thoughts, another blast shook the boat. "All batteries destroyed, Herr Oberleutnant! We're making water in the stern very fast!". Damn. Time for one last throw of the dice. "Blow the tanks, LI! Everything we've got! Get us on the diesels straight away when we surface..."

Even before the boat had fully broke the surface, the ting-ting-ting of the Oerlikons could be heard as the bows broke the surface. "First watch to bridge! Come to 180! All ahead, chief, FASTER!" The boat shook again, and screams could be heard from above. Heller clambered up the ladder, and stepped onto the bridge among the remains of his bridge watch. All four dead. He looked around him, almost blinded by the searchlights. Six ... seven destroyers! This was it. "Chief! Prepare the boat for scuttling! Abandon ship!" But it was too late. One of the destroyers raced out of the circling pack and made straight for the boat. As Heller looked back up over the side of the bridge, the last thing he saw was the bow of the destroyer as it slammed into the boat.

U-2547, and Oblt z. S. Ernest Heller, were no more.


1.) How does it comes that he was somewhat "surprised" by the superior military power of 5 or 6 destroyers
and that he didn't noticed that the unsuitability and inability of his hydrophone-operator was a life risk for the whole crew?
2.) An operator call "Warship screws ... 030! Moving fast! Long range!" is according to every u-boat textbook a signal to stay away or proceed with utmost caution and not a signal for a offensive'strategy.
3.) And if all goes south then there must be more than dive, dodge and turn corners. There must be a plan B, there has to be special life-saving evasive strategies against destroyes (for example against a high speed appraoch the Horberg-S ). None of these took place.

Ernest Heller was seriously at fault, if you ask me. And he should go down into the history books as a tragic example of incompetance and naivety.

Gustav Schiebert 02-04-13 06:37 PM

LemonA, thanks for reading and your thoughts! Not sure specifically which 'textbooks' you're referring to, but in reference to point 2:


Do not see danger everywhere and in everything, do not overestimate the enemy, do not always seek to place yourself in his position, do not assume that everything that is going on in the theater of war applies to yourself - these internal reservations and scruples are a sign of uncertainty, and of a negative attitude, which impairs your ability to reach a decision, and endangers the success of the operations.
Audacity and a readiness to take responsibility, coupled with cool, clear thinking, are the pre-conditions and the basis of success.

(Section I, Para 16, U. Kdt. Htb.)

The rare opportunity of attacking an enemy concentration of ships must be used, by going all out, with all the torpedoes, even in spite of the strongest enemy escort. One of the ships of the concentration should be attacked, and the attack carried out, by a method suited to the position of the target, in a manner calculated to annihilate the latter; immediately afterwards a second and third ships should be attacked where possible.

(Section II, Para 134, U. Kdt. Htb.)

Evasive manoeuvres were, I grant you, over-simplified in the write-up for readability. 100m is too shallow to attack but I can assure you U-2547 was doing no passive lurking or blundering turning while getting depth-charged. I suppose 'the plan', inasmuch as there was one, was to do a Schnee and escape underwater before the torpedoes hit, hence the firing at a fair distance to allow escaping.


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