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Red Devil 02-24-23 10:25 AM

SH4 On Steam
 
I have been playing SH4 for eons from disc. But am wondering if its time to move to Steam Version as it may be more up to date but:

Q: Can I still use JSGME with the steam version???

KaleunMarco 02-24-23 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Devil (Post 2854835)
I have been playing SH4 for eons from disc. But am wondering if its time to move to Steam Version as it may be more up to date but:

Q: Can I still use JSGME with the steam version???

what version of SH4 is on your CDROM/DVD?

Red Devil 02-24-23 12:44 PM

ouch. on the cd booklet, closing date for some competition is 27/10/2005 30/06/07. Box says win XP. Unknown but not original, as I damaged that and bought this from Focus Multimedia. I'd guess at 2007. 1.1 comes to mind.

propbeanie 02-24-23 02:06 PM

You could either do the Steam version, or the Ubisoft version.

https://store.ubi.com/us/game/?lang=...&source=detail

both will watch the other's pricing, and they usually stay competitive with each other in that regard, sometimes going down to $3 a copy...

It would be much much easier doing the Gold Edition that way, than having to attempt to apply all the updates and patches, and still having to contact Ubisoft for your U-Boat Add-On authorization every five installs...

Red Devil 02-24-23 05:09 PM

I bought SH4 a while back on steam, it just sits there in the library. The main query is will JSGME work with it

KaleunMarco 02-24-23 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Devil (Post 2854866)
ouch. on the cd booklet, closing date for some competition is 27/10/2005 30/06/07. Box says win XP. Unknown but not original, as I damaged that and bought this from Focus Multimedia. I'd guess at 2007. 1.1 comes to mind.

lol.
yeah, i'd say that you are probably due for some kind of upgrade.
make the best deal you can make to get to 1.5 Uboat Missions.
good luck, my friend!

propbeanie 02-24-23 09:44 PM

Ahhh... first post didn't say you already had Steam...

But yes, you can use JSGME, it will work fine with the Steam version. After all, the JSGME stands for "JoneSoft Generic Mod Enabler". It will work with a lot of games, especially the older ones -BUT- do not put the game itself into a "Program Files" folder, still. Steam can present additional problems with its Steam Library folder paradigm. See Moving a Steam Installation and Games for some background. You have to set the path to a folder of your own making while installing Steam, if you only have one hard drive... The Steam version can usually be copied to other game folders just as easily as other version, so that you can use multiple mods while using MultiSH4 and a unique Save folder name with each.

Red Devil 02-25-23 09:31 AM

Kaleun - I will never never take command of a uboat. I have dozens of pages on a site dedicated to those brave sailors and also their hunters. I respect them but will NEVER sink of one my own ships, not even in a simulation. Which is why I have never passed SH4

Prop: I have a steam library file on an SSD 5TB external drive. I can put Steam SH4 in there along with JSGME.

Red Devil 02-25-23 09:46 AM

Update: I have SH4 now in k:/Steam Library/Common/ I opened it, it ran and - all the saves are copied from the disk ver on another drive?? Wonders what will happen if I delete the disk game???? Ran game - all loads failed. Better get the vacuum out methinks.

1Patriotofmany 02-25-23 10:26 AM

Absolutely works fine. I would uninstall the disk version completely including the SH4 folder in your documents folder which doesn't automatically get uninstalled.

propbeanie 02-25-23 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Devil (Post 2854997)
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Prop: I have a steam library file on an SSD 5TB external drive. I can put Steam SH4 in there along with JSGME.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Devil (Post 2855003)
Update: I have SH4 now in k:/Steam Library/Common/ I opened it, it ran and - all the saves are copied from the disk ver on another drive?? Wonders what will happen if I delete the disk game???? Ran game - all loads failed. Better get the vacuum out methinks.

That will work from the SSD rather well for the Steam version. However, in your second quote there, you cannot use old Save files. The ones for the disk version of the game point to specific locations on your original install, and when you are using the Steam version, you have a different folder structure. Instant load failure when attempting any of those Saves. Everything must be EXACTLY the same. You can have both version on the same computer, no problem, but they must each have their own Save folders. So download MultiSH4 and put it in each of the game folders. Run it (especially in the "new" Steam version), and enter a new 3-character Save folder name, such as TMO if you're going to run TMO, or FRS for FotRSU, or whatever you like, such as 001 or whatever. That will keep the Save folder structures between the two versions of the game away from each other. :salute:

KaleunMarco 02-25-23 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Devil (Post 2854997)
Kaleun - I will never never take command of a uboat.

i was referring to the version of SH4 not the actual uboats.
"SH4 with the Uboat missions" is version 1.5 which is the version most compatible with the modsets that are discussed here.

Red Devil 02-25-23 11:07 AM

Roger that Kal. At present I am working on personal setting in cfg and trying to get coloured map with small anchors, the ones on mine are huge. Maybe if I steal shaders, textures etc from disk ver and drag and drop??? I might try that in a moment.


Ack Prop - I will come back to your post soonest.

Edit: I have found the map I wanted, I know its only eye candy, but it suits the game far better, except, the active/inactive ports no longer show.

Nav Map Make-Over v2.1 (18.17 MB)

propbeanie 02-26-23 10:53 AM

SH4 v1.5 is what removed the ports changing colors as time advances and they change "sides"...

Red Devil 02-26-23 10:55 AM

cheers prop

Red Devil 02-27-23 07:46 AM

Update: I now have BOTH disk and steam versions in my pc. Each on different drives but sharing the saves. As mentioned above the disk saves do not work with the steam, or vice versa which is not a problem. JSGME also has two installs both with manually loaded mods, and neither conflict. So I have 2 x SH4 desktop icons and 2 x JSGME icons. I can play either at any time, so will leave them alone for now and sit back, relieved, and enjoy. All my SH4 Mods are kept in their own folder and I select from here to both JSGME. Thanks you to the experts for your advice and help

propbeanie 02-27-23 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Devil (Post 2855341)
Update: I now have BOTH disk and steam versions in my pc. Each on different drives but sharing the saves. As mentioned above the disk saves do not work with the steam, or vice versa which is not a problem. JSGME also has two installs both with manually loaded mods, and neither conflict. So I have 2 x SH4 desktop icons and 2 x JSGME icons. I can play either at any time, so will leave them alone for now and sit back, relieved, and enjoy. All my SH4 Mods are kept in their own folder and I select from here to both JSGME. Thanks you to the experts for your advice and help

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2855014)
... However, in your second quote there, you cannot use old Save files (or share them between modded games). The ones for the disk version of the game point to specific locations on your original install, and when you are using the Steam version, you have a different folder structure. Instant load failure when attempting any of those Saves. Everything must be EXACTLY the same. You can have both version on the same computer, no problem, but they must each have their own Save folders. So download MultiSH4 and put it in each of the game folders. Run it (especially in the "new" Steam version), and enter a new 3-character Save folder name, such as TMO if you're going to run TMO, or FRS for FotRSU, or whatever you like, such as 001 or whatever. That will keep the Save folder structures between the two versions of the game away from each other. :salute:

That is a link to MultiSH4 above. You really shouldn't share that Save folder (SH4). You might not notice issues right now with sharing the SH4 save folder, but eventually, there will be something that gets trashed, and you'll lose the whole shmear. If you wanted, you could leave the one Save folder as-is, set at SH4, but I would run MultiSH4 in at least one of the modded installs, and change the Save folder with it to something "meaningful" with 3 different characters. The "FileManager.dll" file in the game folder does have to be write-enabled before MultiSH4 will "take". As with the SH4.exe file, you right-click on the file in the game folder, choose Properties, and on the General tab which is opens to, clear the "Read-only" attribute if necessary. If the little tick box is empty, you are good to go. Run MultiSH4 and make the folder name like "RdD" or whatever. :salute:

Red Devil 02-27-23 08:49 AM

OK Prop -and done. both save folders now empty and graphics changed to LARGE (fixed graphics and resolution).

PurpleCow 02-28-23 06:30 AM

If you purchase SH4 via Steam do you still need to authenticate with Ubisoft when playing the game?

Red Devil 02-28-23 09:01 AM

No, I didnt.

Something wrong with SH4 steam, little things not right, a couple of crashes to desktop.


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