Hi,

I am also from Holland. We are all shocked about the death of Abraham "Bram" Zeegers. For those who would like to visit a website where you can read a webpage about Abraham, visit http://www.holleeder.info/0046.Bram%20Zeegers.html. Sorry it is written in Dutch but ask someone who speaks the language and yoy will learn more about him.

Well said indeed Iceman:up:

if theres anything we can do to help just let us know.
again my deepest condolences.

Thank you very much.. Im the daughter of Abraham / Bram Zeegers..
I've never been on this site before and i have know idea how this works..
My father has told me about you.. And also to my mother.. Because my mother is also jewish.. And my father told me that you are a strong woman from Israel..
I Miss Him Very Much.. He means the world to me and now my life is incomplete..:cry:
And i think that my father would appreciate all the kinds words that the people are saying about him.. And that i response on the messages ( if you know what i mean.. I am good in english but nog very good ;) But i am trying )

Yes.. That is my wish too.. I want him to come back and never go away..:cry:

I want to thank everybody for their kind words about my father.. I am sure that he would apprecciate this.. And if he can read from heaven.. Then i bet that he has a big smile on his face......:cry:

Hello Lydia,

I really enjoyed meeting your father and spending a little time with him at the 2005 Subsim meeting in Monnickendam. He had a great tour prepared for us and was an excellent host. It was my first time in Netherlands and I left with a very good impression, thanks in part to Abraham. Over the last three years I communicated with him a great deal by e-mail and the forums, where he was a moderator. I really miss him, and I know the Subsim community will always be a man short in our meetings, discussions, and voyages from now.

Neal
Subsim

:huh:
You are ALL very kind !! One big family.. ;):rotfl:

Thanks for all your support.. It gives me a good feeling that he was so appreciated..

Hmmm.. Just want the man who did this, get caught and get a lifetime jail:dead: ( if i am saying that right :oops: )

Yeah. You said it right. I had a good time arguing with your father now and then.:) If we can do anything at all for you please let us know.

One big family just like a U Boot crew!:up:

May you rest in peace, dear shipmate....:cry:

Break, break, break,
On thy cold gray stones, O sea!
And I would that my tongue could utter
The thoughts that arise in me.

O, well for the fisherman's boy,
That he shouts with his sister at play!
O, well for the sailor lad,
That he sings in his boat on the bay!

And the stately ships go on
To their haven under the hill;
But O for the touch of a vanished hand,
And the sound of a voice that is still!

Break, break, break,
At the foot of thy crags, O sea!
But the tender grace of a day that is dead
Will never come back to me.

-- Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Welcome to the family. :yep:



-edit- ummmm, did that sound a bit too freaky?:oops:

Yes, your father told me about that, too, which makes you Jewish, of course.
:shifty: Must be all those years of lifitng the grocery bags. :shifty:

:D

My take......

Yesterday I had a pretty bad day. I went to the office, and I quickly read the headlines like I do every day. There was the article with subject line "Gamers miss Bram Zeegers". Then I read subsim.com.... HUH ?!

Wait a freakin' moment........Bram.........Abraham !! :o

I then went on to dig in Google for as much information as possible on Bram. I think I have been busy with that for 5 hours. Utterly amazed.

I have to explain I -unlike many- don't follow this "Holleeder" case. I know it's there but I didnt feel like spending my good time on it. Probably turning out another high expectations criminal case leading to injustice, thus not contributing to a better Holland.

Had I done that, I had known about Bram's involvement as a key witness already early this year !

And I could easily have gotten in contact with him, having his phone number and email adress.

You see, back in 2005 around the Subsim meet, he and I exchanged a couple of emails, and we were close to meeting. I didnt however attend the Subsim meet for personal reasons, but to this day regret it.

In that time he had just become involved as a witness, or so I gathered yesterday.

It appeared I still have his sunny emails in my hotmail inbox and reread them. He also told me then about his 16Y old daughter having an Israeli mother, and plenty more. However, nothing related to his involvement in this crime case.

Late december 2005 he sent me an email wishing me and my family a happy 2006 and proposed again we'd meet...

I wished him well but never replied to the meeting part.

[sigh].....Wow...

Ofcourse now I wonder if we had met...

Had he told me sooner or later about the situation he was in ?

What could I have done for him to somewhat lighten his burden and pain ? How much and exactly would that have had impact on me ?

But the drugs ? I cant imagine Bram as a drugs user. But then again, we can all fake on the net, cant we ? But still I cant or rather dont want to think of Bram being that different from how we all knew him here: An extremely intelligent and friendly guy, with a positive-christian outlook on life.

Questions...questions...

Weird, but only now I feel he was perhaps reaching out to me and I have let this man down :cry:

Bram, no way I can help you now (only by listening a bit I figure and discuss our mutual interests as in hobbies/recreational stuff that is), but I will remember you with fondness for the virtual and potentially real life friend of mine you could have been. I wish your family a lot of strength coping with the awefully great loss.

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lydia im truely sorry for your loss

My father was always good in arguing :lol:

Thank you..:cry:

I would like to hear what Abraham would say if he would know that his daughter has followed his trail into this forum! Knowing his always present sense of humour, without doubt it would be a comment that would have made us smile.

@ Lydia,
trust in time.

Sounds shallow, but it's true. Your father and me had some hard struggles in the forum and more often in private mails - but even more peaceful and humorous conversations, and no matter what it was, we always respected each other. And no matter how angry I sometimes may have been (he really had the ability to let me go up the walls sometimes :D ) - he most often managed to let it end with a smile on my face. In other words: he left a heavy impression in my memory. Best wishings for you.