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Echolot 02-27-13 10:52 AM

Thank you for the new version, gap and SH5 modding community.

:Kaleun_Applaud:

gap 02-27-13 10:54 AM

Hi guys,

in the past months I received a couple of reports by Trevally about a fastidious glaring light effect happening in sunny days. Here's an excerpt from a recent conversation on this topic:

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Originally Posted by Trevally.
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Originally Posted by gap
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Originally Posted by Trevally.
The glaring light issue was just that - when out is sunny day, the glare looked like a nuke had gone off:O::D
I will check out the new version with some addons in the mix (glad you added a clear underwater patch) and let you know

Okay, keep me informed on this and other issues about the new release.

The weird thing is that no one has ever reported this 'glaring light' problem. When does it happen? What is your gfx card? Hopefully a screenshot and some more detail will help us tracking down the problem. :salute:

Sure will.

It happened on any full sun day.
If you look at some of tonschk pics - he suffered from the same thing
I will find one and attach it here...

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8...082400003u.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...1_193908-1.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...-25_194129.jpg

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...-20_074653.jpg

He was in bad need of some smoothed edges:D
But the brightness is the same as I get
The boat itself is so white in the bright days that I stay inside:D

These were with v2.1 and my graphics are 2x460 nvidea sli

:up:

Unfortunately I overlooked to address the issue with v 2.9 of the mod, but doing it through hdr_exterior.cfg settings should be relatively easy.

Let me know if you are experiencing the same problem and, in the affermative, with which DynEnv submods or other environmantal mods enabled :)

gap 02-27-13 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogfish40 (Post 2016837)
Ahoy all.
I have just D/L'd the 2.9 version of Dyn'Env (I really love this mod), however, I noticed some time ago that I was getting very little rain in the game. Once in a great while I would get some with lighting and all and I loved it. But lately, never.
I was wondering if anyone else had this effect?! Most people usually complain about too much rain overall in Env'Mods. I'm also wondering if upgrading the Mod will help, as if this has been worked on at all. I know there have been lots of improvements and I can't wait until this evening to load this up, but I need more storms. Too much moderate weather with my currant set.

Hi DogFish, thank you for your report.

I am also curious to know is someone can confirm the problem pointed by you and putting it in relation with DynEnv.

As I stated in a previous post, the only factor which affects the probability of different weathers (including rain, fog and cloud coverage), is current season.

Stock game features only 5 weather zones: 2 polar bands, north and south (with only 1 winter season), 2 temperate bands (with 4 seasons of equal duration) and 1 tropical band (summer). Having introduced many new weather zones, DynEnv adds more variety to the game, and makes seasonal patterns at different latitudes closer to what one would expect in real life.

The one thing which may affect precipitation's duration (but not their probability, as far as I can understand) is that for most weather zones and seasons, min and max weather change intervals have been sensibly shortened. If SH5 rain had a cycle and required a minum rainy weather duration for rain to actually happen, DynEnv might interfere with this cycle, and reduce indirectly rain probability.

This is only a supposition, but if you want I can prepare a longer weather change intervals patch, for you to check if it will affect positively rain chance :up:

volodya61 02-27-13 11:47 AM

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Sorry! You have exceeded your daily allowed download amount.
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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2016836)
I don't understand why version 2.1 of the mod, also (re-)uploaded on mediafire, didn't cause so many problems:
....
Maybe more distributed downloads? :hmm2:

:D it was not a mediafire message.. it was subsim message :)

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2016836)
..interesting plugin :up:

if someone wants to try, I can post again the mediafire link :hmmm:

I use this plugin and yesterday I couldn't download mod.. :yep:

Mikemike47 02-27-13 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent Steel (Post 2016718)
Hi all again

I think I found a reasonable explanation why I didn't have any problems with the download link.
In Firefox I use this extension;

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pict...pictureid=6397

I love all the customized addons for Firefox. I will try this one now.
I am starting to see what others are talking about for rapidshare and mediafire while testing links for others, too. Never had seen issues like this before until the last 3-4 days. Thanks.

Bothersome 02-27-13 01:37 PM

Installed last night and so far having very good results from it.

This is the mods and order I've installed and have had no problems yet other than one stationary boat at kiel doing flips and rolls (with no visible damage).

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FX_Update_0_0_21_ByTheDarkWraith
Remove Electric Torpedo Wakes
sobers see thru wake fix
SteelViking's Interior Mod V1.2
SteelViking's Interior Mod V1.2.1 Patch
Torpedo_Speed_Abilitie_Fix_for_TDC_SH5_v120
TDW_Ship_Inertia_1_1_0
OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_ByTheDarkWraith
DynEnv v2.9 - 1. Main Mod
DynEnv v2.9 - 12. Sounds
DynEnv v2.9 - 10.I Seafloor (high resolution)
DynEnv v2.9 - 11.a.I Sea Plants - Atlantic Kelp Forests (high resolution)
DynEnv v2.9 - 4.a Camera Filters - Realistic Colors
DynEnv v2.9 - 5.a Ambient Settings - Darker Nights
I wasn't sure if I should install other optional mods because they seem to overwrite some of the options already installed. So I suppose we're not supposed to install everything. We're supposed to pick and chose based on where we're planning on being?

Also, you guys might check your contrast settings in the options screen to make sure you don't have it turned up too high. I've noticed a white-out saturation coming out of the sub bunker too... but the program self adjusts a few seconds after so I thought it was normal. I have most of my other settings to max.

gap 02-27-13 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bothersome (Post 2016937)
I wasn't sure if I should install other optional mods because they seem to overwrite some of the options already installed. So I suppose we're not supposed to install everything. We're supposed to pick and chose based on where we're planning on being?

Your mod order looks okay to me, but if you want to make sure that everything is in its place, just enable optional mods in numerical order (higher numbers last). :03:

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Originally Posted by Bothersome (Post 2016937)
Also, you guys might check your contrast settings in the options screen to make sure you don't have it turned up too high. I've noticed a white-out saturation coming out of the sub bunker too... but the program self adjusts a few seconds after so I thought it was normal. I have most of my other settings to max.

Thank you for sharing Bothersome. :up:
Any other opinion on the luminosity topic, guys?

Dogfish40 02-27-13 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2016871)
Hi DogFish, thank you for your report.

I am also curious to know is someone can confirm the problem pointed by you and putting it in relation with DynEnv.

As I stated in a previous post, the only factor which affects the probability of different weathers (including rain, fog and cloud coverage), is current season.

Stock game features only 5 weather zones: 2 polar bands, north and south (with only 1 winter season), 2 temperate bands (with 4 seasons of equal duration) and 1 tropical band (summer). Having introduced many new weather zones, DynEnv adds more variety to the game, and makes seasonal patterns at different latitudes closer to what one would expect in real life.

The one thing which may affect precipitation's duration (but not their probability, as far as I can understand) is that for most weather zones and seasons, min and max weather change intervals have been sensibly shortened. If SH5 rain had a cycle and required a minum rainy weather duration for rain to actually happen, DynEnv might interfere with this cycle, and reduce indirectly rain probability.

This is only a supposition, but if you want I can prepare a longer weather change intervals patch, for you to check if it will affect positively rain chance :up:

Wow, that would be very cool. Like I mentioned, I still need to install the new version this afternoon (Pac'time). Maybe I should give it a few days test first and see if things change. If they don't, then I'll take you up on your offer and test the patch. Or, you might want to go ahead with the patch and I'll test it regardless. I would love to see if I could increase the amount of rain and /or even storms. I don't think it's feaseble to have 3 months at sea with no rain...lol.
I'll chime in tomorrow anyway with my comments on the upgrade as well. :up:
Thanks Mucho
D40

THE_MASK 02-27-13 05:28 PM

From the EnvSim act file .
The upcoming weather. If different from CurrentWeather, a transition between the two weather types is made��enum{ClearSky,Overcast,Rain}����ChangeToWeat her�The current weather�CurrentWeather��Wind direction and speed����Wind����Clouds altitude�Altitude����Clouds Render Controller.��

S3D Scene dat Sky/Clouds/Clouds/Clouds/Wind
Should the clouds transition be used from clear sky to rain , not from overcast to overcast . I dunno . Does SH5 even use half the stuff in the Scene Dat ?

Silent Steel 02-28-13 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikemike47 (Post 2016920)
I love all the customized addons for Firefox. I will try this one now.
I am starting to see what others are talking about for rapidshare and mediafire while testing links for others, too. Never had seen issues like this before until the last 3-4 days. Thanks.

Works like a charm :up:

gap 02-28-13 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogfish40 (Post 2016986)
Wow, that would be very cool. Like I mentioned, I still need to install the new version this afternoon (Pac'time). Maybe I should give it a few days test first and see if things change. If they don't, then I'll take you up on your offer and test the patch. Or, you might want to go ahead with the patch and I'll test it regardless. I would love to see if I could increase the amount of rain and /or even storms. I don't think it's feaseble to have 3 months at sea with no rain...lol.
I'll chime in tomorrow anyway with my comments on the upgrade as well. :up:
Thanks Mucho
D40

I didn't change anything in v 2.9 that could even remotely affect rain probability relative to v 2.1. Nonetheless, before we embark ourselves in testing different settings (whose effect on rain chance is anyway dubious), it would be wise to keep on the current weather change intervals for a while, taking note of rainy days over a given period. This would be better done during winter months :yep:

We should stick in mind that, even in stock game, rain chances are quite low. On the other hand, messing with weather change intervals wouldn't be immune from side effects, making weather (and fog) more static.

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Originally Posted by sober (Post 2017018)
From the EnvSim act file .
The upcoming weather. If different from CurrentWeather, a transition between the two weather types is made��enum{ClearSky,Overcast,Rain}����ChangeToWeat her�The current weather�CurrentWeather��Wind direction and speed����Wind����Clouds altitude�Altitude����Clouds Render Controller.��

S3D Scene dat Sky/Clouds/Clouds/Clouds/Wind
Should the clouds transition be used from clear sky to rain , not from overcast to overcast . I dunno . Does SH5 even use half the stuff in the Scene Dat ?

Good remark sober :up:

I haven't ever messed with Scene.dat, as most of its setting are still obscure to me; incidentally, the copy of Scene.dat featured in DynEnv was edited by stoianm, I think.

Have you tested the cloud transition settings you are suggesting? If not, I can release a test patch, for allowing people to do it :salute:

volodya61 02-28-13 11:07 AM

Is Clear Water Surface the same as Dynamic Environment Shallow Waters from the previous version?

Dogfish40 02-28-13 11:27 AM

[QUOTE=gap;2017377]I didn't change anything in v 2.9 that could even remotely affect rain probability relative to v 2.1. Nonetheless, before we embark ourselves in testing different settings (whose effect on rain chance is anyway dubious), it would be wise to keep on the current weather change intervals for a while, taking note of rainy days over a given period. This would be better done during winter months :yep:

We should stick in mind that, even in stock game, rain chances are quite low. On the other hand, messing with weather change intervals wouldn't be immune from side effects, making weather (and fog) more static.


Hi Gap,
I installed the upgrade last night but I'm going to have to work with it. I think I put too much in too soon. I am really used to the 2.1 version (the way the folders work) so I'm going to have to go one at a time. One thing I did have a problem with is the Boat wake. There is a static graphic following the boat. I'm sure it's coming from one of the add-on folders because I have never seen before. It's a big white wake that follows the boat but doesn't move. It looks like a picture of a boat wake following the boat, in other words. Have you seen this?
Anyway, I'll track it down and tell you where it's coming from if I can, maybe its just not rendering correctly.
Otherwise, great job. I have to get used to the file structure so I can tweek it in better, I can already tell that it has more potential in terms of high def.
Back Soon.
D40 :salute:

gap 02-28-13 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by volodya61 (Post 2017388)
Is Clear Water Surface the same as Dynamic Environment Shallow Waters from the previous version?

yes, Shallow Waters + Shallow Waters patch :up:

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Originally Posted by Dogfish40 (Post 2017403)
Hi Gap,
I installed the upgrade last night but I'm going to have to work with it. I think I put too much in too soon. I am really used to the 2.1 version (the way the folders work) so I'm going to have to go one at a time. One thing I did have a problem with is the Boat wake. There is a static graphic following the boat. I'm sure it's coming from one of the add-on folders because I have never seen before. It's a big white wake that follows the boat but doesn't move. It looks like a picture of a boat wake following the boat, in other words. Have you seen this?
Anyway, I'll track it down and tell you where it's coming from if I can, maybe its just not rendering correctly.
Otherwise, great job. I have to get used to the file structure so I can tweek it in better, I can already tell that it has more potential in terms of high def.
Back Soon.
D40 :salute:

which DynEnv submods have you enabled? From your description, looks like I have added sobers see thru wake fix to one of them by mistake :hmmm:

Bothersome 02-28-13 11:43 AM

Dogfish, I had seen that once about a month ago playing around with mods. Check to see if you flags are still waving. My flags weren't waving either once when I saw that.

With the mods that I have listed above, everything seems to be working ok now.

Last night I did manage to see a lot of rain. I was in April 1941 around the gulf south of spain. Looked quite like a hurricane to me. Waves were very tall. Boat was completely submerging into a wave and almost coming complete out of the valley. It did look a bit silly to see a tug boat getting more air time than a dirt bike. Wind speeds were 15 starting out, with thunderstorms and heavy rain. Then later it slowed to 13. But the rain and wind lasted till I got back to home base. My TC is usually at most 128 but last night I put up to 512 trying to get past the bad weather. That didn't help much, only slowed the wind down to 13.

I do notice the waves look a lot more real now for some reason. Good job Gap.

Dogfish40 02-28-13 12:52 PM

which DynEnv submods have you enabled? From your description, looks like I have added sobers see thru wake fix to one of them by mistake :hmmm:[/QUOTE]

That's gotta' be it. I specifically use most of those mods of Sober's listed anyway, so I plopped that folder in for sure. That wake mod might not be working correctly or one of my other mods might be killing it. If you could take that one out if it's not needed, maybe that's the problem. Also, since I'm writing, I noticed that the water surface (on booting up) was almost lake like. Almost no foam. Is that the Clear Water folder doing that? I like the sea to look very foamy, almost messy like. That's one thing I was going to try to tweek in (or out). I really loved the definition though, this has changed the atmosphere of the boat, sea and sky. I can see that it's going to be very cool once I can get it arranged. :salute:


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Originally Posted by Bothersome (Post 2017415)
Dogfish, I had seen that once about a month ago playing around with mods. Check to see if you flags are still waving. My flags weren't waving either once when I saw that.
With the mods that I have listed above, everything seems to be working ok now.

Hi Bothersome,
Very Good. between Gap's message and yours I can breathe easier. I know it's gonna' go away.


Last night I did manage to see a lot of rain. I was in April 1941 around the gulf south of spain. Looked quite like a hurricane to me. Waves were very tall. Boat was completely submerging into a wave and almost coming complete out of the valley. It did look a bit silly to see a tug boat getting more air time than a dirt bike. Wind speeds were 15 starting out, with thunderstorms and heavy rain. Then later it slowed to 13. But the rain and wind lasted till I got back to home base. My TC is usually at most 128 but last night I put up to 512 trying to get past the bad weather. That didn't help much, only slowed the wind down to 13.

I do notice the waves look a lot more real now for some reason. Good job Gap.

Yeahhhh!! Gimmee dat rain. I do hope I see some more. It's just not right being on the ocean so long and there's no rain or storms. The Storms in the game are quite good too! I love seeing the lightning coming from all directions...
:up:

gap 02-28-13 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bothersome (Post 2017415)
Last night I did manage to see a lot of rain. I was in April 1941 around the gulf south of spain. Looked quite like a hurricane to me. Waves were very tall. Boat was completely submerging into a wave and almost coming complete out of the valley. It did look a bit silly to see a tug boat getting more air time than a dirt bike. Wind speeds were 15 starting out, with thunderstorms and heavy rain. Then later it slowed to 13. But the rain and wind lasted till I got back to home base. My TC is usually at most 128 but last night I put up to 512 trying to get past the bad weather. That didn't help much, only slowed the wind down to 13.

Thank you for your nice report, Bothersome, it felt like being there, in the middle of the storm! :doh:

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Originally Posted by Bothersome (Post 2017415)
I do notice the waves look a lot more real now for some reason. Good job Gap.

Don't congratulate with me. I cannot stress enough that this is a community mod; personally, I haven't ever touched wave paramenters :yep: :D

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Originally Posted by Dogfish40 (Post 2017451)
Yeahhhh!! Gimmee dat rain. I do hope I see some more. It's just not right being on the ocean so long and there's no rain or storms. The Storms in the game are quite good too! I love seeing the lightning coming from all directions...
:up:

Anyone else wanting to give his opinion on the DynEnv/rain probability topic started by Dogfish?
Has anyone of you noticed a decrease of rain occurrence after having installed this mod :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by Dogfish40 (Post 2017451)
That's gotta' be it.

Okay, I have found the problem.
As I was supposing, the culprit is Sobers Best Ever Tweaks submod. Easy to get rid of the glitch:

disable the mod, delete the data/Shaders/Wakes folder, and enable the mod again :up:

Sorry for the inconvenience guys. I knew I was going to mess something up :oops:

Dogfish40 02-28-13 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gap (Post 2017503)


Okay, I have found the problem.
As I was supposing, the culprit is Sobers Best Ever Tweaks submod. Easy to get rid of the glitch:

disable the mod, delete the data/Shaders/Wakes folder, and enable the mod again :up:

Sorry for the inconvenience guys. I knew I was going to mess something up :oops:

Apologies not needed my friend, you are doing what I wish I could. My best attempt at a mod is called "no farts", that's not going to make me famous:haha:
You didn't mess anything up and there is no inconvenience. Seriously, you can't see everything, we're just helping you test it out.
:up::up:
D40

gap 02-28-13 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogfish40 (Post 2017573)
Apologies not needed my friend, you are doing what I wish I could. My best attempt at a mod is called "no farts", that's not going to make me famous:haha:

:har: :up:

Bothersome 02-28-13 10:36 PM

Just out of curiosity, would it be an easy thing to remove the underwater waving of the image? Blurry vision is a little more believable, but the images waving back and forth is kind of out of some cartoon you might see on TV. Just because it's water, doesn't make the image wave when you are under water. Only when you are looking into water from a wavy surface would the image wave about.

Blurring is even a bit a stretch, unless you are looking through eyes not made for water viewing, like human eyes. But assuming the camara is tuned for water (when underwater) it should fade out from fog but not blur. And waving about is definately science fiction.

Just trying to make it better. Not complaining just offering a little constructive advice.

By the way, if you have to insert a spy, you might need to save and reload to get the launch boat pop-up to happen. It might be part of OHII though.


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