Originally Posted by FPSchazly (Post 2490677)

That is a good point. Are there any real-world submariners out there that can comment on this? It's like driving a car. Cruising on the highway, you're using a certain throttle (making turns for that speed, as it were). If you were to accelerate to that speed using the cruising throttle, it would take forever (infinitely long in a mathematical sense). So, you use more throttle to accelerate to that cruising speed and then reduce throttle to maintain that speed once you attain it. I'm curious as to the distinction for this in naval turns. "Make turns for x knots" means (I would think) turn the propeller at the speed necessary to maintain x knots indicated. Would there be a situation where you apply more throttle to get to speed x more quickly and then reduce throttle?

Originally Posted by jenrick (Post 2490804)

I wasn't referring to craft fleeing combat, that I have seen. I hand't seen a combatant flee after being damaged, interesting. I put 2 fish into the Kirov, and it just came barreling in (2 which 2 more fish solved that issue).

On the burning ship, was it marked as a kill on the tac map? Also were you close enough for it to have launched weapons? I'm curious about what all is modeled now.

-Jenrick

Originally Posted by The Bandit (Post 2490524)

I think this is a good idea, and you're generally right in what you are saying, however there are always exceptions.

Early 80s for towed array is a little iffy for me, I think the 688s just had the TB-16 starting out (so did some of the Sturgeons) but many of the others had earlier "clip-on" types BQR-15 and -23 if I'm not mistaken, which were a step or two behind the TB-16 and came with speed restrictions (would be very interesting if the clip-on Towed array could be an inventoried item like the sonobuoys, so if you ripped it off you could choose to fit another when you enter port).

As far as the sonobouys, I'm in agreement, typically I wouldn't think that the batteries would be as strong as what a helo could put out through a dipping sonar, however what I'm most interested in when it comes to buoys is if they act like they "should" specifically if they are alternated over / under the layer and if the AI will use / has to use patterns to correctly localize a contact. My understanding is that until the electronics got a bit more sophisticated, the passive buoys were very general with little to no bearing information, so typically patterns would be dropped and signal strengths compared to localize the contact (or you could risk just dropping an active buoy if you think that the passive contact is strong enough). The point I'm trying to get across is that I don't feel that dropping one buoy which is then followed by a rain of depth charges and torpedoes really fits with realism.

Originally Posted by stormrider_sp (Post 2490866)

Driving a submarine in 3d as you would in a Flight sim is really enjoyable, but there's just not too much of subsim in this game yet. I really hope that the devs will find ways to include old hardcore subsimmers in their public, cause, for me, there's really not much in there. For me the sole fact that soviet ssns start any scenario already pinging is already a show stopper.

Originally Posted by stormrider_sp (Post 2490866)

Driving a submarine in 3d as you would in a Flight sim is really enjoyable, but there's just not too much of subsim in this game yet. I really hope that the devs will find ways to include old hardcore subsimmers in their public, cause, for me, there's really not much in there. For me the sole fact that soviet ssns start any scenario already pinging is already a show stopper.

Originally Posted by Haukka81 (Post 2490877)

I agree, AI subs should not ping least if they are not allready detected or under attack.

Sub vs Sub should be 99% passive hide and seek !


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Originally Posted by The Bandit (Post 2491013)

You're overlooking soviet doctrine here. Until very late in 70s the soviets had a pretty stark disadvantage when it came to quieting, sonar and electronics. While they closed much of the gap starting with the Victor III and later Akula, prior to these being available they relied on using active sonar much more than US subs ever did.

Originally Posted by Monkie (Post 2490989)

...but why would you try to derail a thread that is doing it's best to move forward and make the game better?

Originally Posted by PL_Harpoon (Post 2491015)

Actually, that's somewhat reflected in the game. I sometimes encounter Novembers and Victor I's pinging away, but most of the time when facing Victor III or Sierra subs they stay silent. It doesn't make much difference as you'll find them first anyway (unless you're running at some higher speeds).