Try it without the "Volumetric Fog" also, Torpedo, and see if it improves any. That really messes with my video card and display... :salute:
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Tone Sinking
Hope it's not too late but I can confirm a sinking of a Heavy Cruiser Tone Class.
Feb 6 1942 Long 116 08' E Lat 7 54' S It took 7 fish to sink. Only hiccup was there was so much fire on the Tone it did put my Graphics card to the test. But no ctd:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: |
CTDs after a G4W Betty attack
I've experienced 3 CTDs after aircraft attacks in 3 different subs, in 3 vastly different patrol areas, from December 1941 through May 1943 and the only common factor is its with a Japanese Betty aircraft, all 3 times.
Aircraft (verified as a Betty) approaches as it is seen on air radar. Symbol turns red when it comes into visual distance. It makes a sweeping turn away as if leaving and then circles back to make a bee line for the sub. I crashed dive when I saw it circle back. Then watched it on magnified exterior view as it flew at low level toward the diving sub. Once it flew over and apparently gave up, I watched it fly off into the distance with the magnified external view. When it got far away, maybe out of visual contact, the game crashed. Note: previously, I've watched the aircraft fly away on the Nav Map and then game crashes. All three CTDs were with a Betty as it flew away off into the distance. This is the only common factor. I've waited quite awhile for this third crash before making a post. I've made it a point to try to be seen by enemy aircraft to duplicate this scenario; no other enemy plane seems to make the game crash. I also make it a point to save game frequently! I hope this is helpful. |
Is this a green Betty? Does it have a bomb or torpedo load-out? We had the issue fixed, and it looks like it may have snuck back it. At what range are airplanes seeing your submarine. You can tell on some approaches, from where a plane will drastically alter course toward your submarine... ?? I was doing quite a bit of testing the last few days on those #$%@#@$% early Marshalls missions, and it finally dawned on me that the planes are not responding appropriately to a submarine traveling on the surface... and here, I thought it was my skill as a skipper...
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The Betty's approach is the same; they come into visual sighting range and then head for the sub to attack. Once they complete their attack, they fly away and the CTD only happens when they seem to exceed visual range as they retreat. The 1st & 2nd CTD were several weeks ago, shortly after the new game was released. So, I was quite surprised to see it happen again today. |
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Just to be redundant and play the part of Mr. Obvious, but double-check your LAA activation of the SH4.exe file. Make certain that it is indeed enabled. If you did not start the current version of the mod with an emptying of the Save folder, you will have issues similar to this, due to cross-contamination, especially of the Betty planes, and a few others. Activating a mod will NOT overwrite any file that exists in the Save folder, resulting in a partial mod activation. If you shell-out to Windows any, whether with an accidental clicking on a blank area of the Windows desktop (entirely too easy to do with a dual-monitor set-up :roll: ), or if you use the <Windows> key combinations, or <Alt><Tab> or <Ctrl><Tab>, no matter if the game is paused or not, you will have issues with the game, and those issues may not show up right after the occurrence, but it might be days later, after several Saves. This is a reminder to everyone, and these do not apply to just FotRSU, but to every version of the game, whether modded or not. This is not to say you did that, just a reminder to everyone. We are still treating this as an issue, and are looking further into it, due to past, similar issues... :salute: |
Betty and CTDs
I did not see or hear anything that made me think the Betty dropped a bomb or torpedo. I was already at a depth of 150+ feet by the time the Betty flew over my diving sub's position. However, maybe I got hit with a torpedo that resulted in a CTD??
I totally replaced the old Save Folder before installing the current FotRS UE mod. I never go to my desk top without totally signing out; I never use an Alt Tab combo you described. I have a save not to far before the CTD; we might see if the Betty reappears? I hope you come up with a solution. Thanks for your rapid response. |
G4M Betty & CTD possible update
For Propbeanie,
I continued west at 9:30am on March 12, 1943 in the Solomon Sea, SW of Bogainville at approx. 154 degrees East & 7 degrees South when I again was attacked by a Betty. Did not attempt to evade her course to make sure she attacked. At 6,000 yards she made a 360 degree circular maneuver and headed directly for me. Time to crash dive to 250 feet. Located the Betty with the exterior event camera and actually saw her throw out a cylinder object which had to be a torpedo. Lost visual as she flew by and could not find her again with the camera. As we dove to 250 feet, I could her 2 distinct high pitched whinny sounds that I assume were tracking torpedoes. Proceeded at top speed, wanting to get hit to see if there would be a CTD. Never got hit but for approx. 20 minutes continued hearing the high pitched sounds at various locations on the hydrophone dial. Then the sounds stopped and we surfaced. It's my humble opinion that the Betty's torpedo may cause a CTD when it hunts and hits a target as the Betty flies off. I once tried (no criticism intended) a mod called "Webster’s Improved US Torpedo v2 and v3" where the Mark 10 torpedo caused a CDT when it hit a target, every time. All the other torpedoes worked great. Just a thought, hope this is helpful. |
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There are issues with one of the Zero fighters also. When I made my Test Mission, I put the four Betty models in it, the Pete and the three zero models in. I was removing one plane at a time, and still had CTDs on the exit from the mission and game when I went back to the desktop, so I finally wised-up and now I'm running them one plane at a time, nothing else other than my sub... :roll: - some folks just have to learn the hard way... :har: - thanks for the info though! :salute: |
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I ran at max speed because I wanted to get hit by the torpedo to test my hypothesis. I would have gone to silent running and 1 knot in a real battle. I'll also watch out for the Zero. Let us know what you find. Thanks for looking. |
Question: Are there distress flares launched from some sinking merchants in FOTRSU? I see the vanilla white flares floating in the sky but no red flares.
Many thanks and regards. Fitzcarraldo :salute: |
Sub and Crew stuck in Brisbane
Propbeanie,
Completed a successful patrol sinking 57,000 tons; reported back to home port of Brisbane in early March 1943. Passed out medals and promotions, restocked torpedoes and crew. Went to map to obtain operation orders: Depart Brisbane on April 7, 1943 (it stated) Error: No Primary Found! (it stated) There was no way, no how to depart. Went back, tried again, same orders, can't depart. Tried a transfer that was granted, went to map and received the same Error: No Primary Found! The only thing I've not tried is to go back to a save prior to entering port, do it all over again and see what happens. I thought I'd post this problem first, then try prior save. Any other suggestions? UPDATE: Went back to prior save before entering port and did it all again. Received new operation orders, so off we went. |
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Best regards. Fitzcarraldo :salute: |
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----------------------------------------------------Now, as to the plane tests I've been doing off and on for a while, but heavy-duty worth the last few days now, we have come to a startling conclusion, that really shouldn't be so startling at all, and that is the fact that when different plane types are mixed in a grouping, it causes trouble - sometimes lots of trouble, which only makes sense when you think about it... For a group, there is one set of Waypoints to follow, and a "Leader" plane of the group. Now, the Level Bombers, which are designated Type=301 will attack "Level", so if they are set at 500 meters height, they will climb a bit (unknown quantity to me), stay there and then drop their bombs, then come back to the level assigned in the Waypoints on their route - IF they are in a group of their own. The Dive Bombers are Type=302, will approach the same as Level Bombers, but after they climb to their prescribed height (again, unknown to me), they will then "Dive" (they do not do a 60-80° dive, but rather about a 30° slope) to deliver their payload, and after the drop, will again resume the Waypoint height. A fighter Type=300 will do a similar attack run, but without any climbing, unless their target is "up" from their current height, or the plane is too low to do a descending attack. The Torpedo planes at Type=303 will generally descend during their approach phase, and stay there to deliver their payload, then gyrate wildly to regain their Waypoint speed. Gaining their attack height, if they don't know of a target ahead prior to spotting it, might entail a hard turn to one direction or the other, in an attempt to spiral down to their attack height, which looks to be maybe no higher that 50-100 meters off the water. Very cool to watch an "Elite" torpedo plane attack like that, but the "Competent" torpedo plane often crashes on the way in, or the way out from an attack ("Competent" Dive Bombers will do similar). The Type=304 Patrol plane will generally stay high, unless there is a payload on them, like the H6K, or some of the PBY planes, in which case, they generally attack like a dive bomber, which for planes of those constructions, if in real life would have ripped the wings from the fuselage... :o - But all of the planes seem capable of strafing attacks, unless they do not have a loadout, which is difficult to determine if a plane is a Stock plane. Some digging is required. Suffice to say, especially with the Betty planes, which encompass the 301, 302 & 303 categories, you cannot mix those either, and from observations, it seems you cannot mix the same plane, such as the Betty, from the same Type and Class that have different Loadouts, since the Loadout might dictate the attack type, whether Level, Dive or Torpedo... This is very frustrating to deal with, since from the beginning of the SH4 days, groups were "mixed". CapnScurvy and I had discussed this a couple of years ago, when we saw off-behavior from the B-24 Liberators flying to bomb Kiska or Attu, and they were flying into each other, or the B-17s that fly-over Pearl during certain time frames. So all of those particular groups were made to "match". It looks like we'll have to do the same for every group in the game and mod... sheesh... :o - besides the fact that is seems they all want to be the "Leader of the Pack", and there are other planes in the group that are in their way, preventing them from attaining such. Unlike ships, Airplanes do not "convoy" well. Thankfully, they are not "on stage" too long in the game... "Fixing" this will take a while, and might not happen all at once. :salute: |
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Wouldn't you set multiple groups on the same flight paths but at different flight altitudes or set farther apart along the same path? I would think this would solve some of those issues being multi groups so the types are not mixed but you could achieve a larger group it would just take more effort to do so unless you can somehow copy and past groups then edit the profiles of type and load to make it easier. Do you have any plane test files for download that would not interfere with the campaign set up of load in of a current game? I would run some test if you wanted. |
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When it comes to "Groups", you might have 50 planes, all single file, of which only one plane is "Leader". I have not found any documentation as to which of the fifty planes is considered the Leader in an RGG. I know the way the ships do it, but not the planes. They are a weird bunch of assets... :roll: In a scripted group, it's the plane designated as Leader, and they line-up the way you draw them in the ME. But under no circumstances are they supposed to deviate from the Waypoint routing - though they do, and under no circumstances are they to deviate from the "height" setting, though they do. Most of that "deviation" is from the AI control on them, of which we have no documentation. But if you put a Dive Bomber as Lead unit, and tie Level Bombers to it, and Fighters to it, that's when you see the "stutter" flight from the planes, where it looks like they can't make up their minds as to where to fly. My thoughts are that these airplanes, in their "hesitation", are eating up clock cycles on the cpu, and killing the RAM buffer that the game uses, and that this is why you'll see the fps drop, sometimes resulting in a crash all because of a relatively few airplanes. Other situations, where you have groups built to be all the same, you can have 10 times as many planes and not have half of the issues. But the different groups of airplanes all "attack" differently, and that's where the main part of the trouble comes in, from what I've observed, if you mix the Types, which Stock has done since day one. Also, you can build a mission file in the ME, and then go into the text editor with it, and set the planes all to different heights, but as soon as they hit that first waypoint, they all will conform to that. It is the nature of the beast. It will take a bit, but I am going through the files and attempting to segregate the different groups, and with some of the planes, further segregate them based upon what they are carrying, and we'll see what happens. :salute: |
Sargo class and GUN loadout
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Hate to throw out another small issue but this may be due to recent problem in leaving Brisbane with the mission error problem and then going back to a previous save, or maybe not? I'm in a Sargo class in April 1943 that under went a cut down of the sides or something to that affect. Equipment was supposed to be one 4" 50 cal on the bow, and fore & aft 20 mm guns. Leaving port, the crew configuration view shows four aft gunners and a fore & aft machine gunner, which work correctly. But, the external views of the sub shows an additional bow 4" 50 cal gun which cannot be manned and thus does not fire. I can physically go to both machine guns and the aft 4" 50 cal gun but NOT to the forward 4" 50 cal gun even though it's visually there. Mention this because it may or may not be worth future consideration. Thanks. |
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