T34 vs Tiger MMP the MP mod - Page 6

frinik · 08-12-16, 11:37 PM

Hello VAsemkii, I have the MMP7 mod which Murkz graciously offered to me about a couple of years ago after the whole team pulled the plug on the project. I have it installed and dabbled with it for 45 minutes. Undeniably it's great work the new sounds and camos are really good. Unfortunately as LIme33 very well said the AI is catastrophic, the game engine not very well optimized and very few people- except those willing to pay Zeewolf's steep fees - are interested in that game. Steel Fury was never meant to be multiplayer and Graviteam staunchly resisted any efforts to make it into an MP game arguing, probably rightly, that they just didn't have the resources to sustain MP which is very demanding for a small team of at most 8 people. Yes TvT is more immersive tank-sim wise than Steel Fury and has large maps but on every other score it's just way behind the times.

I'll be following your progress and I wouldn't mind trying the SP missions into co-op style. As a member of the fantastic group of modders who created MM5, 6 and 7 my hat's off to you!

Re having your ass handed to you by humans. Sometimes the AI can give it to you straight or even too much i.e Arma 2 with its all seeing and never-missing-a-shot AI. Even in Steel Fury I have been badly surprised by the AI outmanoeuvring me on many occasions.MP is fun I play BF3,BF 4 and Red Orchestra 2 MP but the communities can be toxic and many of the players are immature idiots or jerks... Arma 3 's community is a bit better though....

Cheers!

VAsemkii · 08-13-16, 02:03 AM

Hi Frinik I have to agree the AI is utterly awful in TvT and the game engine was never optimised. They effectively released a Beta.

Steel Fury could have been so much more if they had spent the time on it too and added MP which is inbuilt in the engine they use.

But I will keep plodding away at it and see where we get, Tanking is a very small fraternity, (WOT not included in that statement I mean real tank sims) so it does not attract large crowds, which thankfully keeps the communities small and generally friendly.

ZeeWolf · 08-13-16, 11:42 AM

Hi guys,

TVT AI "Catastrophic" and "utterly awful" not true. The truth is, although
the code for AI is lacking for now, highly sophisticated code could easily
be written as a class (in JAVA). It is not hard coded in the "Game Engine"
However, this would take time and effort from those who know how to
do it.

As far as "just behind the times"

OK! But you miss what the original
developers were able to accomplish that made T-34 vs Tiger stay on
the radar screen today.

This simple observation back in 2008 is what enabled Project ZeeWolf to exist.

As for steep fees how about this: Since 2008 my rent has gone up almost
70%

So basically what I would like to say here, I am NO Mother Teressa nor
would I expect those who would produce something with hard work and
dedication to be either.

-Zeewolf

Pulstar · 04-19-20, 01:11 PM

Reinstalled TvT recently, wasn't even aware of the MMP mod, and Zee's site seems to be down too.

Is there a working link for MMP 7.1? Thanks.

Mundane · 09-13-22, 01:30 PM

I'm quite stunned by the fact that the mod has cleared out of existence by its creator(s) for these 12 years. I've had the TvT game since I was a little kid and still play it to this day, because the game's mechanics and the nostalgia still pins me to the floor. Anyways, I've always wanted to know what multiplayer matches would of felt like. Course the game's MP doesn't work, so I went divvying on the internet and came across this thread. Naturally, I got excited to want to know more about this MMP mod, but sadly was dishearted when I tried to access the site that contains the homepage of the mod, discovering it wouldn't work.

Has anything new or has happened since the last time Zeewolf posted his last message? This is just a question I hope will be answered in the 'near' future.

Aktungbby · 09-13-22, 08:13 PM

Mundane!

murkz · 02-12-24, 04:58 AM

https://panzersim.forumotion.com/f1-...-tiger-general

MMp5 here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzM...ew?usp=sharing

MMp6.1 Beta here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s8D...ew?usp=sharing

It's been 14 years since Albert, known among us as Monkwarrior, passed away and here the files he worked so hard on. Subsim was an important part of the whole buzz around T34 vs Tiger, these files belong here as well for any tankers looking to find them.

I have removed the permission for access, so help yourselves.

Aktungbby · 03-29-24, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

Hi guys,

TVT AI "Catastrophic" and "utterly awful" not true. The truth is, although
the code for AI is lacking for now, highly sophisticated code could easily
be written as a class (in JAVA). It is not hard coded in the "Game Engine"
However, this would take time and effort from those who know how to
do it.

As far as "just behind the times"

OK! But you miss what the original
developers were able to accomplish that made T-34 vs Tiger stay on
the radar screen today.

This simple observation back in 2008 is what enabled Project ZeeWolf to exist.

As for steep fees how about this: Since 2008 my rent has gone up almost
70%

So basically what I would like to say here, I am NO Mother Teressa nor
would I expect those who would produce something with hard work and
dedication to be either.

-Zeewolf

Motto: "Putting the Zee in SIEG!" www.tanksimzw.com

ZeeWolf,s sigsite is altered to European Cup betting site!!??

murkz · 03-30-24, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

ZeeWolf,s sigsite is altered to European Cup betting site!!??

But we can currently view it with the Internet Archive

https://web.archive.org/web/20150307...tanksimzw.com/

Aktungbby · 03-30-24, 10:15 AM

Good save!

08-12-16, 11:37 PM	#76
frinik Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	TvT MMP7 Mod Hello VAsemkii, I have the MMP7 mod which Murkz graciously offered to me about a couple of years ago after the whole team pulled the plug on the project. I have it installed and dabbled with it for 45 minutes. Undeniably it's great work the new sounds and camos are really good. Unfortunately as LIme33 very well said the AI is catastrophic, the game engine not very well optimized and very few people- except those willing to pay Zeewolf's steep fees - are interested in that game. Steel Fury was never meant to be multiplayer and Graviteam staunchly resisted any efforts to make it into an MP game arguing, probably rightly, that they just didn't have the resources to sustain MP which is very demanding for a small team of at most 8 people. Yes TvT is more immersive tank-sim wise than Steel Fury and has large maps but on every other score it's just way behind the times. I'll be following your progress and I wouldn't mind trying the SP missions into co-op style. As a member of the fantastic group of modders who created MM5, 6 and 7 my hat's off to you! Re having your ass handed to you by humans. Sometimes the AI can give it to you straight or even too much i.e Arma 2 with its all seeing and never-missing-a-shot AI. Even in Steel Fury I have been badly surprised by the AI outmanoeuvring me on many occasions.MP is fun I play BF3,BF 4 and Red Orchestra 2 MP but the communities can be toxic and many of the players are immature idiots or jerks... Arma 3 's community is a bit better though.... Cheers!

08-13-16, 11:42 AM	#78
ZeeWolf Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Great NorthWest Posts: 1,724 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 1	TvT is good but could be great Hi guys, TVT AI "Catastrophic" and "utterly awful" not true. The truth is, although the code for AI is lacking for now, highly sophisticated code could easily be written as a class (in JAVA). It is not hard coded in the "Game Engine" However, this would take time and effort from those who know how to do it. As far as "just behind the times" OK! But you miss what the original developers were able to accomplish that made T-34 vs Tiger stay on the radar screen today. This simple observation back in 2008 is what enabled Project ZeeWolf to exist. As for steep fees how about this: Since 2008 my rent has gone up almost 70% So basically what I would like to say here, I am NO Mother Teressa nor would I expect those who would produce something with hard work and dedication to be either. -Zeewolf Last edited by ZeeWolf; 08-14-16 at 08:28 PM.

09-13-22, 08:13 PM	#81
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 28,842 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	welcome aboard! Mundane! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

02-12-24, 04:58 AM	#82
murkz Torpedoman Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 120 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	MMP5 & 6. HDD Clearing and archiving https://panzersim.forumotion.com/f1-...-tiger-general MMp5 here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzM...ew?usp=sharing MMp6.1 Beta here https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s8D...ew?usp=sharing It's been 14 years since Albert, known among us as Monkwarrior, passed away and here the files he worked so hard on. Subsim was an important part of the whole buzz around T34 vs Tiger, these files belong here as well for any tankers looking to find them. I have removed the permission for access, so help yourselves. __________________ http://theantisocialgamer.blogspot.com/ http://panzersim.forumotion.com/forum.htm Last edited by murkz; 03-29-24 at 05:11 AM.

03-30-24, 10:15 AM	#85
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 28,842 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Good save! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

08-13-16, 02:03 AM	#77
VAsemkii Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 5 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hi Frinik I have to agree the AI is utterly awful in TvT and the game engine was never optimised. They effectively released a Beta. Steel Fury could have been so much more if they had spent the time on it too and added MP which is inbuilt in the engine they use. But I will keep plodding away at it and see where we get, Tanking is a very small fraternity, (WOT not included in that statement I mean real tank sims) so it does not attract large crowds, which thankfully keeps the communities small and generally friendly.

04-19-20, 01:11 PM	#79
Pulstar Bilge Rat Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Reinstalled TvT recently, wasn't even aware of the MMP mod, and Zee's site seems to be down too. Is there a working link for MMP 7.1? Thanks.

09-13-22, 01:30 PM	#80
Mundane Nub Join Date: Sep 2022 Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm quite stunned by the fact that the mod has cleared out of existence by its creator(s) for these 12 years. I've had the TvT game since I was a little kid and still play it to this day, because the game's mechanics and the nostalgia still pins me to the floor. Anyways, I've always wanted to know what multiplayer matches would of felt like. Course the game's MP doesn't work, so I went divvying on the internet and came across this thread. Naturally, I got excited to want to know more about this MMP mod, but sadly was dishearted when I tried to access the site that contains the homepage of the mod, discovering it wouldn't work. Has anything new or has happened since the last time Zeewolf posted his last message? This is just a question I hope will be answered in the 'near' future.