Gameplay....

Hawk66 · 11-05-23, 07:31 AM

So, it seems there is not so much info about the gameplay aspects. I have read that you can take the role of the Captain, but that could mean a lot

In general, is there anything significant gameplay-wise which Dangerous Waters does not have or which is improved ?. I have a bit my doubts that the planned web-based mission editor has the same capabilities/possibilites like that of Dangerous Waters.

Or is the scope of the sim more like of pure simulator, that is the fun comes mainly from manning the systems and understanding them, as well as the physics behind ?

UglyMowgli · 11-05-23, 01:31 PM

For the gameplay, yes you can take the role of the CO giving order to the "AI" or human crew. If you are the only human in the sub, you can like in DW jump in any station and replace the "AI"

In term of comparison between MNW and DW, there is so much improvements that it's almost impossible to make an exhaustive list, but here some:

- The environment is realistic, the ocean topography/geomorphology, physical properties (temperature, salinity, ...) are based on real data, which mean the way the submarine move, the way the SONAR interact with this environment is realistic.

- The submarine movements are based on physic (depending on the density of the water, the weight of the sub, it's shape, speed, ....). You will feel the inertia not like in DW.

- The SONAR model is a quantum jump, it's the first non classified (and we don't even know if the classified ones use RTRT) to use Real Time Ray Tracing for the sound propagation. The shadow zones will be real one, as the bottom bounce, or weather influence on the screen (you can tell the sea state just by looking at the screen), .....

- Ships and submarines signature will all be different, so 2 ships from the same class will have the same sound characteristics but with small divergence, so after a while you will be able to discriminate to the hull penant.

- The RADAR model is also realistic (not yet as the one in DCS but for a 1st iteration is not too bad)

- The OpFor "AI" should not be as dumb as the one in DW.

- Civilian shipping lanes are based on real data.

And I don't talk about the graphics.

This is why there is a Pro version, the decision maker in some navy and shipbuilding companies found great potentials in MNW.

Finally, for the Mission Editor will be more "powerful" (missions are scripted in Python) and less cumbersome as the one in DW. FPSChaszly made some recommendation for the new editor.

Hawk66 · 11-05-23, 03:16 PM

Thanks.

Python sounds nice. Does that mean access to the engine via python, also during runtime (that is part of the game/simulation loop) ? - similar like Lua in Command Naval Air Operations ?

UglyMowgli · 11-06-23, 11:26 AM

Can't say a lot about the modules of MNW, not my expertise so I will not speculate and give wrong information.
I will ask the devs in charge.

denis_469 · 11-12-23, 03:24 PM

Would be MNW friendly for modders like SH 3? For example can any insert and easy made new ships and planes like it was in SH 3?

UglyMowgli · 11-12-23, 05:44 PM

For the modding, I refer you to the interview by FPSchazly.
At 51:16 , he asked the MaslaBros about it.

denis_469 · 11-12-23, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UglyMowgli

For the modding, I refer you to the interview by FPSchazly.
At 51:16 , he asked the MaslaBros about it.

My computer is broken and there is no sound. And there are no free slots to install the card. That's why I can't listen. Write what is there and how.

UglyMowgli · 11-12-23, 11:53 PM

So from the interview, they want mods like those in DW or DCS but they want quality first so they will after the release (don't ask when) publish modding tools.

Wolfcat · 11-28-23, 02:33 AM

As 2023 is rolling to a close, is there any new update on the potential release date?

UglyMowgli · 11-29-23, 12:39 AM

Yes. It was announced at the end of the devs interview linked below (go at 1h30min) for September 2024

https://www.youtube.com/live/O2ZvSV5...EdkWskR7_Tpfd3

Wilko · 11-30-23, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UglyMowgli

Yes. It was announced at the end of the devs interview linked below (go at 1h30min) for September 2024

https://www.youtube.com/live/O2ZvSV5...EdkWskR7_Tpfd3

Thank you for that, great stuff, really looking forward to this

Aktungbby · 11-30-23, 11:13 AM

Wilco!

...back on the surface after a 4-year 'silent run'!

Hawk66 · 01-31-24, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UglyMowgli

So from the interview, they want mods like those in DW or DCS but they want quality first so they will after the release (don't ask when) publish modding tools.

Thx for the update , although "DW or DCS" it is quite a big difference concerning their modding capabilities

UglyMowgli · 02-01-24, 01:35 AM

DCS for the "realism" (let say "best guesting"), "complexity" and quality of the mods.

DW for the fact that you can easly de/activated mods or select the mods permitted on a MP game (like a having an integrated JGME in the simulator).

Hawk66 · 02-02-24, 08:42 AM

Sounds good!

Aside from modding, the most interesting part for me is (assuming the simulation itself is fine), how immersive the game will be , since the human factor was never a focus so far in a modern naval sim, the crew interaction in available games is more or less static (and always the same) crew reports.

BTW that would also be great if this would be changeable by modders.

11-05-23, 07:31 AM	#1
Hawk66 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 597 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Gameplay.... So, it seems there is not so much info about the gameplay aspects. I have read that you can take the role of the Captain, but that could mean a lot In general, is there anything significant gameplay-wise which Dangerous Waters does not have or which is improved ?. I have a bit my doubts that the planned web-based mission editor has the same capabilities/possibilites like that of Dangerous Waters. Or is the scope of the sim more like of pure simulator, that is the fun comes mainly from manning the systems and understanding them, as well as the physics behind ? __________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

11-05-23, 01:31 PM	#2
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 781 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	For the gameplay, yes you can take the role of the CO giving order to the "AI" or human crew. If you are the only human in the sub, you can like in DW jump in any station and replace the "AI" In term of comparison between MNW and DW, there is so much improvements that it's almost impossible to make an exhaustive list, but here some: - The environment is realistic, the ocean topography/geomorphology, physical properties (temperature, salinity, ...) are based on real data, which mean the way the submarine move, the way the SONAR interact with this environment is realistic. - The submarine movements are based on physic (depending on the density of the water, the weight of the sub, it's shape, speed, ....). You will feel the inertia not like in DW. - The SONAR model is a quantum jump, it's the first non classified (and we don't even know if the classified ones use RTRT) to use Real Time Ray Tracing for the sound propagation. The shadow zones will be real one, as the bottom bounce, or weather influence on the screen (you can tell the sea state just by looking at the screen), ..... - Ships and submarines signature will all be different, so 2 ships from the same class will have the same sound characteristics but with small divergence, so after a while you will be able to discriminate to the hull penant. - The RADAR model is also realistic (not yet as the one in DCS but for a 1st iteration is not too bad) - The OpFor "AI" should not be as dumb as the one in DW. - Civilian shipping lanes are based on real data. And I don't talk about the graphics. This is why there is a Pro version, the decision maker in some navy and shipbuilding companies found great potentials in MNW. Finally, for the Mission Editor will be more "powerful" (missions are scripted in Python) and less cumbersome as the one in DW. FPSChaszly made some recommendation for the new editor. __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

11-05-23, 03:16 PM	#3
Hawk66 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 597 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Thanks. Python sounds nice. Does that mean access to the engine via python, also during runtime (that is part of the game/simulation loop) ? - similar like Lua in Command Naval Air Operations ? __________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein

11-06-23, 11:26 AM	#4
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 781 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Can't say a lot about the modules of MNW, not my expertise so I will not speculate and give wrong information. I will ask the devs in charge. __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

11-12-23, 05:44 PM	#6
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 781 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	For the modding, I refer you to the interview by FPSchazly. At 51:16 , he asked the MaslaBros about it. __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

11-12-23, 03:24 PM	#5
denis_469 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Russia Posts: 700 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Would be MNW friendly for modders like SH 3? For example can any insert and easy made new ships and planes like it was in SH 3?

11-12-23, 11:53 PM	#8
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 781 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	So from the interview, they want mods like those in DW or DCS but they want quality first so they will after the release (don't ask when) publish modding tools. __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

11-28-23, 02:33 AM	#9
Wolfcat Chief Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 325 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	As 2023 is rolling to a close, is there any new update on the potential release date?

11-29-23, 12:39 AM	#10
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 781 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Yes. It was announced at the end of the devs interview linked below (go at 1h30min) for September 2024 https://www.youtube.com/live/O2ZvSV5...EdkWskR7_Tpfd3 __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

11-30-23, 11:13 AM	#12
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 28,786 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Welcome back! Wilco!...back on the surface after a 4-year 'silent run'! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

02-01-24, 01:35 AM	#14
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 781 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	DCS for the "realism" (let say "best guesting"), "complexity" and quality of the mods. DW for the fact that you can easly de/activated mods or select the mods permitted on a MP game (like a having an integrated JGME in the simulator). __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

02-02-24, 08:42 AM	#15
Hawk66 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 597 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Sounds good! Aside from modding, the most interesting part for me is (assuming the simulation itself is fine), how immersive the game will be , since the human factor was never a focus so far in a modern naval sim, the crew interaction in available games is more or less static (and always the same) crew reports. BTW that would also be great if this would be changeable by modders. __________________ Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein